[Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction

[Felix Malmenbeck]

> tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.

I think you want tujangta'mo' Satlho'. Otherwise, you're thanking the replying, not the repliers.

> wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.

To the best of y knowledge, QaQ cannot take an object. I recommend something like: "[...] vIlo' 'e' vInID 'ach QaQbe' qechvam." ("I tried to use [...], but this idea is not good.")

> vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.

Did you mean vIjatlhmeH, by any chance? latlh isn't a verb.

> qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'.

Recommend changing "[...] SuStel, vIyajbe'" to "[...] SuStel. jIyajbe'." Otherwise, it looks like you're trying to use a question as an object to make a statement, which does not appear to be allowed (you're allowed to use questions as objects to pose questions, such as <nuq Datlhutlh DaneH> ("What to you want to drink?"), but what you wanted was probably "I don't understand why SuStel is using the verb <pong>.", which is a statement and therefore not permitted).

> nuQ SuQub ?

I think you want nuq boQub. ("What do you think?")

> vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.

I'd recommend jIQoS jIQaghchugh, as it's unclear what the object of either of those verbs would be.

...'a bIQoSmeH meq tu'lu'be'. po'wI' mojmeH vay' wa'DIch taghwI' mojnIS 'ej pIghojmoHtaHvIS maghoj je.

Qapla' HaDwI'!

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From: Wiechu [ddanecki at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:48
To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction

tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.

SuStel QIn vIlaDpu'DI' QaghwIj vIyaj.

wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.

vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.

1) Qov DuH: Dochmey vIleghnISbogh.

2) loghaD DuH: vIleghmeH Dochmey vIneHbogh.

qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'.

nuQ SuQub ?

vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.

--
Wiechu


2012/1/25 Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer at uchicago.edu>>
FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:

 vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh
 Conquer what you desire. TKW

 nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!
 Which weapon do you want?
 ("Identify the weapon that you want!")


--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton at gmail.com<mailto:philip.newton at gmail.com>]
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <ddanecki at gmail.com<mailto:ddanecki at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I
>> want to see"
>>
>> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.
>
> Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh
> vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey
> vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},
> which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be
> {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that
> as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't
> reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.
>
> So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence
> *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -
> {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that
> wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact
> of 'I see things' that I want".
>
> Cheers,
> Philip

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