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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">> tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.<br>
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I think you want tujangta'mo' Satlho'. Otherwise, you're thanking the replying, not the repliers.<br>
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> wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.<br>
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To the best of y knowledge, QaQ cannot take an object. I recommend something like: "[...] vIlo' 'e' vInID 'ach QaQbe' qechvam." ("I tried to use [...], but this idea is not good.")<br>
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> vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.<br>
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Did you mean vIjatlhmeH, by any chance? latlh isn't a verb.<br>
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> qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'. <br>
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Recommend changing "[...] SuStel, vIyajbe'" to "[...] SuStel. jIyajbe'." Otherwise, it looks like you're trying to use a question as an object to make a statement, which does not appear to be allowed (you're allowed to use questions as objects to pose questions,
such as <nuq Datlhutlh DaneH> ("What to you want to drink?"), but what you wanted was probably "I don't understand why SuStel is using the verb <pong>.", which is a statement and therefore not permitted).<br>
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> nuQ SuQub ?<br>
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I think you want nuq boQub. ("What do you think?")<br>
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> vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.<br>
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I'd recommend jIQoS jIQaghchugh, as it's unclear what the object of either of those verbs would be.<br>
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...'a bIQoSmeH meq tu'lu'be'. po'wI' mojmeH vay' wa'DIch taghwI' mojnIS 'ej pIghojmoHtaHvIS maghoj je.<br>
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Qapla' HaDwI'!<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF521323"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Wiechu [ddanecki@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:48<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction<br>
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<div>tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.</div>
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<div>SuStel QIn vIlaDpu'DI' QaghwIj vIyaj. </div>
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<div>wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.</div>
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<div>vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.</div>
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<div>1) Qov DuH: Dochmey vIleghnISbogh.</div>
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<div>2) loghaD DuH: vIleghmeH Dochmey vIneHbogh.</div>
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<div>qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'. </div>
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<div>nuQ SuQub ?</div>
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<div>vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/25 Steven Boozer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target="_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>></span><br>
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FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:<br>
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vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh<br>
Conquer what you desire. TKW<br>
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nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!<br>
Which weapon do you want?<br>
("Identify the weapon that you want!")<br>
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Voragh<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:<a href="mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com" target="_blank">philip.newton@gmail.com</a>]<br>
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> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <<a href="mailto:ddanecki@gmail.com" target="_blank">ddanecki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I<br>
>> want to see"<br>
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>> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.<br>
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> Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh<br>
> vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey<br>
> vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},<br>
> which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be<br>
> {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that<br>
> as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't<br>
> reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.<br>
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> So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence<br>
> *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -<br>
> {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that<br>
> wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact<br>
> of 'I see things' that I want".<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
> Philip<br>
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