[Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction

[Wiechu]

>
> > tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.
>
> I think you want tujangta'mo' Satlho'. Otherwise, you're thanking the
> replying, not the repliers.
>

 jIyaj


>
>
> > wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.
>
> To the best of y knowledge, QaQ cannot take an object. I recommend
> something like: "[...] vIlo' 'e' vInID 'ach QaQbe' qechvam." ("I tried to
> use [...], but this idea is not good.")
>

How do I know which verbs take objects which don't ?


>
>
> > vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.
>
> Did you mean vIjatlhmeH, by any chance? latlh isn't a verb.
>

HIja'.


>
> > qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'.
>
> Recommend changing "[...] SuStel, vIyajbe'" to "[...] SuStel. jIyajbe'."
> Otherwise, it looks like you're trying to use a question as an object to
> make a statement, which does not appear to be allowed (you're allowed to
> use questions as objects to pose questions, such as <nuq Datlhutlh DaneH>
> ("What to you want to drink?"), but what you wanted was probably "I don't
> understand why SuStel is using the verb <pong>.", which is a statement and
> therefore not permitted).
>

vISovpu'be'. vIqaw 'e' vInID.


>
> > nuQ SuQub ?
>
> I think you want nuq boQub. ("What do you think?")
>

HIja'. nuQ is object of boQub. vIlIjpu'.


>
> > vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.
>
> I'd recommend jIQoS jIQaghchugh, as it's unclear what the object of either
> of those verbs would be.
>

jIyaj


>
> ...'a bIQoSmeH meq tu'lu'be'. po'wI' mojmeH vay' wa'DIch taghwI' mojnIS
> 'ej pIghojmoHtaHvIS maghoj je.
>
> Qapla' HaDwI'!
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Wiechu [ddanecki at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2012 16:48
> *To:* tlhingan-hol at kli.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction
>
>   tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.
>
>  SuStel QIn vIlaDpu'DI' QaghwIj vIyaj.
>
>  wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.
>
>  vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.
>
>  1) Qov DuH: Dochmey vIleghnISbogh.
>
>  2) loghaD DuH: vIleghmeH Dochmey vIneHbogh.
>
>  qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'.
>
>  nuQ SuQub ?
>
>  vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.
>
>  --
> Wiechu
>
>
> 2012/1/25 Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>
>
>> FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:
>>
>>  vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh
>>  Conquer what you desire. TKW
>>
>>  nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!
>>  Which weapon do you want?
>>  ("Identify the weapon that you want!")
>>
>>
>> --
>> Voragh
>> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton at gmail.com]
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <ddanecki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I
>> >> want to see"
>> >>
>> >> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.
>> >
>> > Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh
>> > vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey
>> > vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},
>> > which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be
>> > {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that
>> > as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't
>> > reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.
>> >
>> > So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence
>> > *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -
>> > {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that
>> > wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact
>> > of 'I see things' that I want".
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Philip
>>
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