[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: 'epIl naHmey

[Gaerfindel]

On 2/4/2012 12:59 PM, David Trimboli wrote:
> On 2/4/2012 12:28 PM, Gaerfindel wrote:
>> On 2/4/2012 10:01 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>>> Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, February 04, 2012
>>>
>>> Klingon word: 'epIl naHmey
>>> Part of speech: noun
>>> Definition: apples
>>>
>> That literally reads "apple's fruits" or "fruits of the apple." I
>> conjecture then that {'epIl} refers to the tree itself, then?
>
> No, the noun-noun construction is more than just possessive; it's 
> genitive. The first noun specifies the kind of second noun.
>
> For example, in KGT we get {baS 'In} "metal drum." It doesn't mean 
> "metal's drum" or "drum belonging to metal."
>
> Literally, the phrase means "apple fruits," "that kind of fruit known 
> as apples."
>
>> That would make {'epIl Hap} "applewood" and {'epIl HIq} "(hard) cider."
>
> It's {'epIl naH} for the same reason we say "Romulan ale" instead of 
> whatever the Romulans call it. If Klingons were translating these 
> ideas, I'd imagine they'd come up with {'epIl Sor Hap} and {'epIl Sor 
> HIq}.
Umm.. {'epIl *naH* HIq}.  Sor Hap luroghlu'bogh vItlhutlhQo'!
> ..Klingons do not describe tastes in terms of pleasure, but rather in 
> terms of how they affect them, and it may be metaphorical (see KGT). 
> For instance, {muDuQ 'epIl naHmey} "apples stab me."
>
> What is {wIq}? Is that a new word? I haven't been paying close 
> attention to the new ones.
>
Ack! I meant to write {wIb}.  muDuQ 'epIl naHmey wIb 'ej muDuQqu' 'epIl 
naH HIq wIb.
> {juS} means "overtake," not "pass (something to someone)." You want 
> {nob} "give." But when using this verb you'll want a dative object. 
> You can either say {jIHvaD HIvje' tInob} "give the cups to me!" or, 
> using the prefix trick, {HIvje'mey HInob} "give me the cups!"
>
In that case, {HIvje'mey yInobchuq} is what I meant.

~quljIb
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