[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}

[mayql qunenoS]

Thank you lojmIt tI'wI' nuv for taking the time to reply ; I read
carefully your comments and I think that my understanding of {-'e'}
has increased. Also, thank you De'vID for clarifying the matter we
discussed.

Still before moving on, could someone comment on the last question in
my previous message ? Because it may have been overlooked, (after all
this is becoming a long thread) I will copy-paste it here again :

How do I say : <the exceptional robot which created the eleven
citizens, searches for the ship>. ? Perhaps by writting {Duj nej
wa'maH wa' rewbe' chenmoHpu'bogh qoq le''e'}.

But if I now dare to venture deeper in the rabbit hole of {-'e'}, in
this example, why do I need the {-'e'} ? This is *the* question. If I
now take into account, that the {-'e'} specifies which of the nouns in
the -bogh clause does the job of sentence subject, then maybe if I
wrote :

Duj nej wa'maH wa' rewbe''e' chenmoHpu'bogh qoq le'.

the translation would be :

<the eleven citizens who were created by the robot are searching for the ship>.

is this correct ? Something tells me that it isn't.. Because if it is,
this means what ? That I can take a sentence, throw it in the cooking
cauldron along with the desired use of {-'e'}, stir the two together
and voila ! produce passive voice..

cpt qunnoq


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:43 PM,  <qov at kli.org> wrote:
>> nIn Hutlhmo' jIHaw'meH chalDaq muD Duj vI'orbogh, Qob chal.
>> The sky where the ship in which I fled is without fuel is dangerous.
>>
>> --
>> De'vID
>
> I can't parse that.  bIqID'a'?
>
> I can't attach jIHaw'meH to anything but chal, and I can't figure out the
> role in the sentence of muD Duj vI'orbogh.
>
>  The best I can do is "Because it lacks fuel  in the sky for me to flee...
> the aircraft I pilot ... the sky is dangerous."
>
> I'm guessing jIHaw'meH is supposed to reach through chalDaq and modify muD
> Duj, but when do we ever see a modifier go through a type-5 like that?  They
> create such a barrier in the sentence that the type-5 itself is forced to
> migrate, as it does to adjectival verbs and even numbers.
>
> - Qov
>
>
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