[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}

[lojmIttI'wI'nuv]

The most common verb prefix error in Klingon is noticing that a plural subject with a singular object requires {lu-} instead of the null prefix.

So, if you said {Duj nej wa’maH wa’ rewbe’ chenmoHpu’bogh qoq le’}, we’d know that the singular, special robot searched the ship. If the eleven citizens searched the ship, the sentence should be {Duj lunej wa’maH wa’ rewbe’ chenmoHpu’bogh qoq le’}.

So, you’ve accidentally created a case where the {-‘e’} is not necessary, because of the difference in number between the two potential head nouns.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Jan 19, 2016, at 1:03 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you lojmIt tI'wI' nuv for taking the time to reply ; I read
> carefully your comments and I think that my understanding of {-'e'}
> has increased. Also, thank you De'vID for clarifying the matter we
> discussed.
> 
> Still before moving on, could someone comment on the last question in
> my previous message ? Because it may have been overlooked, (after all
> this is becoming a long thread) I will copy-paste it here again :
> 
> How do I say : <the exceptional robot which created the eleven
> citizens, searches for the ship>. ? Perhaps by writting {Duj nej
> wa'maH wa' rewbe' chenmoHpu'bogh qoq le''e'}.
> 
> But if I now dare to venture deeper in the rabbit hole of {-'e'}, in
> this example, why do I need the {-'e'} ? This is *the* question. If I
> now take into account, that the {-'e'} specifies which of the nouns in
> the -bogh clause does the job of sentence subject, then maybe if I
> wrote :
> 
> Duj nej wa'maH wa' rewbe''e' chenmoHpu'bogh qoq le'.
> 
> the translation would be :
> 
> <the eleven citizens who were created by the robot are searching for the ship>.
> 
> is this correct ? Something tells me that it isn't.. Because if it is,
> this means what ? That I can take a sentence, throw it in the cooking
> cauldron along with the desired use of {-'e'}, stir the two together
> and voila ! produce passive voice..
> 
> cpt qunnoq
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 7:43 PM,  <qov at kli.org> wrote:
>>> nIn Hutlhmo' jIHaw'meH chalDaq muD Duj vI'orbogh, Qob chal.
>>> The sky where the ship in which I fled is without fuel is dangerous.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> De'vID
>> 
>> I can't parse that.  bIqID'a'?
>> 
>> I can't attach jIHaw'meH to anything but chal, and I can't figure out the
>> role in the sentence of muD Duj vI'orbogh.
>> 
>> The best I can do is "Because it lacks fuel  in the sky for me to flee...
>> the aircraft I pilot ... the sky is dangerous."
>> 
>> I'm guessing jIHaw'meH is supposed to reach through chalDaq and modify muD
>> Duj, but when do we ever see a modifier go through a type-5 like that?  They
>> create such a barrier in the sentence that the type-5 itself is forced to
>> migrate, as it does to adjectival verbs and even numbers.
>> 
>> - Qov
>> 
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