[Tlhingan-hol] Royal We Beginners' Conversation

Fri Jan 1 08:56:18 PST 2016

Think about your word order and the suffix {-lu’}. What is the subject and what is the object?

lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh
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> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:25 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ok, I think I found it..
> 
> lajlaHbe'lu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
> in order to overcome this situation, which someone is unable to
> accept, it is the only way !
> 
> or maybe
> 
> lajlaHbe'lu'bogh ghu'vam'e' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
> 
> cpt qunnoQ
> 
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:09 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ok, scratch the last sentence ; I just remembered that {-bogh} is a verb suffix.
>> 
>> so it is either
>> 
>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>> in order to overcome this situation, (that) one is unable to accept
>> (the situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>> 
>> or maybe the simpler
>> 
>> lajlaHbe'lu' ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>> 
>> on the other hand, can I have both {-laH} and {-lu'} on the same verb
>> ? and even if I could, maybe the {ghu'vam} would need to preceed the
>> {lajlaHbe'lu'}
>> 
>> so maybe the correct sentence would be
>> 
>> ghu'vam lajlaHbe'lu' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>> 
>> but again I *feel* that something is probably still wrong..
>> 
>> cpt qunnoQ
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 4:39 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> repmey puS ret,'uSghebmey rurbogh tera'ngan bo'Deghmey DIQub
>>> few hours ago, we were thinking about terran birds which resemble 'uSghebmey.
>>> 
>>> 'ej maQeHqu'choH.
>>> and we became pissed.
>>> 
>>> nuvpu' vemmoHmeH, DIb lughaj'a' bo'Deghmey lamvam ?
>>> do these filthy birds have the right, to wake up people ?
>>> 
>>> yIQub !
>>> think about it !
>>> 
>>> jaj naQvaD SuvumtaHDI' 'ej SuDoy'qu' SuleSnIS'a' ?
>>> if you are working for an entire day and you are very tired, don't you
>>> need to rest ?
>>> 
>>> SuQongqu'nIS'a' ?
>>> don't you very much need to sleep ?
>>> 
>>> 'ach vaj nargh bo'Degh lam 'ej jachtaHchoH.
>>> however then, the filthy bird appears, and starts screaming.
>>> 
>>> cheghelDI', luSoplu' 'e' luqotlh bo'Deghmeyvam.
>>> if you ask us, these birds deserve to be eaten..
>>> 
>>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>> in order to overcome this situation,one is unable to accept (the
>>> situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>>> 
>>> or maybe
>>> 
>>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>> in order to overcome this situation, which situation one is unable to
>>> accept, it is the only way !
>>> 
>>> cpt qunnoQ
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 7:08 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ok,thank you for teaching me all this ! I will take care from now on,
>>>> to use {je} correctly.
>>>> 
>>>> cpt qunnoQ
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:36 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/31/2015 10:00 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 'ach tera'ngan *rooster* rurqu'bejmo', wIlo'.
>>>>>> however, because it definitely resembles a lot the terran rooster, we used
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 'ej wISopbej je !
>>>>>> and we would undoubtebly eat it too !
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's a point of grammar that I only recently learned to use correctly.
>>>>> Even after all this time (I started learning Klingon in the early '90s)
>>>>> there are still things to learn.
>>>>> 
>>>>> {je} is a noun conjunction, even when it's used after a verb. You can't use
>>>>> it unless you're saying something like "X did such-and-such and Y did
>>>>> such-and-such too." The verb has to be the same or similar so the meaning of
>>>>> {je} is to say that X and Y did the same thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your sentences, simplified, are
>>>>> 
>>>>>   *wIlo' 'ej wISop je
>>>>>   we use it and we eat it too
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it can't be used like that. {je} would be interpreted to mean {maH maH
>>>>> je}, and the verbs are not similar, so what are we and we doing? It's a bit
>>>>> of a mess. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, I would have said this sentence
>>>>> was fine, but it's not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's an example using {je} after a verb correctly:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  vISop 'ej DaSop je
>>>>>  I eat it and you eat it too
>>>>>  I eat it and so do you
>>>>> 
>>>>> The {je} conjoins the elided {jIH} and {SoH} of the sentences.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   vISop jIH 'ej DaSop je SoH
>>>>>   equals
>>>>>   wISop jIH SoH je
>>>>> 
>>>>> {je} can also be used to conjoin objects:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   HIq vItlhutlh 'ej bIQ vItlhutlh je
>>>>>   I drink alcohol and I drink water too
>>>>>   I drink alcohol and also water
>>>>>   equals
>>>>>   HIq bIQ je vItlhutlh
>>>>> 
>>>>> Much of the time you wouldn't use {je} as I've used it above. {vISop 'ej
>>>>> DaSop} may be all you need. {je} is good for a "me too!" kind of expression.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   jatlh qama': jIghung.
>>>>>   The prisoner says, "I am hungry."
>>>>> 
>>>>>   jatlh 'avwI': jIghung je.
>>>>>   The guard says, "I am also hungry." (PK)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Dargh wIb vItlhutlh.
>>>>>   I'll drink sour tea.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Dargh wIb tlhutlh je jupwI'.
>>>>>   My friend will drink sour tea as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   jonwI', QuQ tItI'
>>>>>   Engineer, fix the engines!
>>>>> 
>>>>>   qa'vIn jan yItI' je!
>>>>>   Fix the coffee machine too!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> SuStel
>>>>> http://trimboli.name
>>>>> 
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