[Tlhingan-hol] Royal We Beginners' Conversation

mayql qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Fri Jan 1 09:16:58 PST 2016 

> Think about your word order and the suffix {-lu’}. What is the subject and what is the object?

hmm.. interesting.. I hadn't thought of approaching it this way. So,
lets see. As I understand {-lu'}, it means that the subject is
unknown. In the aforementioned sentence, the object is {ghu'vam}. So,
maybe the right sentence is :

ghu'vam lajlaHbe'lu'bogh juSmeH, He neH 'oH !

is this correct ?

cpt qunnoQ

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 6:56 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh
<lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
> Think about your word order and the suffix {-lu’}. What is the subject and what is the object?
>
> lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh
> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
>
>
>
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:25 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ok, I think I found it..
>>
>> lajlaHbe'lu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>> in order to overcome this situation, which someone is unable to
>> accept, it is the only way !
>>
>> or maybe
>>
>> lajlaHbe'lu'bogh ghu'vam'e' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>
>> cpt qunnoQ
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:09 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ok, scratch the last sentence ; I just remembered that {-bogh} is a verb suffix.
>>>
>>> so it is either
>>>
>>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>> in order to overcome this situation, (that) one is unable to accept
>>> (the situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>>>
>>> or maybe the simpler
>>>
>>> lajlaHbe'lu' ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>>
>>> on the other hand, can I have both {-laH} and {-lu'} on the same verb
>>> ? and even if I could, maybe the {ghu'vam} would need to preceed the
>>> {lajlaHbe'lu'}
>>>
>>> so maybe the correct sentence would be
>>>
>>> ghu'vam lajlaHbe'lu' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>>
>>> but again I *feel* that something is probably still wrong..
>>>
>>> cpt qunnoQ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 4:39 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> repmey puS ret,'uSghebmey rurbogh tera'ngan bo'Deghmey DIQub
>>>> few hours ago, we were thinking about terran birds which resemble 'uSghebmey.
>>>>
>>>> 'ej maQeHqu'choH.
>>>> and we became pissed.
>>>>
>>>> nuvpu' vemmoHmeH, DIb lughaj'a' bo'Deghmey lamvam ?
>>>> do these filthy birds have the right, to wake up people ?
>>>>
>>>> yIQub !
>>>> think about it !
>>>>
>>>> jaj naQvaD SuvumtaHDI' 'ej SuDoy'qu' SuleSnIS'a' ?
>>>> if you are working for an entire day and you are very tired, don't you
>>>> need to rest ?
>>>>
>>>> SuQongqu'nIS'a' ?
>>>> don't you very much need to sleep ?
>>>>
>>>> 'ach vaj nargh bo'Degh lam 'ej jachtaHchoH.
>>>> however then, the filthy bird appears, and starts screaming.
>>>>
>>>> cheghelDI', luSoplu' 'e' luqotlh bo'Deghmeyvam.
>>>> if you ask us, these birds deserve to be eaten..
>>>>
>>>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>>> in order to overcome this situation,one is unable to accept (the
>>>> situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>>>>
>>>> or maybe
>>>>
>>>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>>>> in order to overcome this situation, which situation one is unable to
>>>> accept, it is the only way !
>>>>
>>>> cpt qunnoQ
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 7:08 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ok,thank you for teaching me all this ! I will take care from now on,
>>>>> to use {je} correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> cpt qunnoQ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:36 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/31/2015 10:00 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'ach tera'ngan *rooster* rurqu'bejmo', wIlo'.
>>>>>>> however, because it definitely resembles a lot the terran rooster, we used
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'ej wISopbej je !
>>>>>>> and we would undoubtebly eat it too !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a point of grammar that I only recently learned to use correctly.
>>>>>> Even after all this time (I started learning Klingon in the early '90s)
>>>>>> there are still things to learn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {je} is a noun conjunction, even when it's used after a verb. You can't use
>>>>>> it unless you're saying something like "X did such-and-such and Y did
>>>>>> such-and-such too." The verb has to be the same or similar so the meaning of
>>>>>> {je} is to say that X and Y did the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your sentences, simplified, are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   *wIlo' 'ej wISop je
>>>>>>   we use it and we eat it too
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it can't be used like that. {je} would be interpreted to mean {maH maH
>>>>>> je}, and the verbs are not similar, so what are we and we doing? It's a bit
>>>>>> of a mess. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, I would have said this sentence
>>>>>> was fine, but it's not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's an example using {je} after a verb correctly:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  vISop 'ej DaSop je
>>>>>>  I eat it and you eat it too
>>>>>>  I eat it and so do you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The {je} conjoins the elided {jIH} and {SoH} of the sentences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   vISop jIH 'ej DaSop je SoH
>>>>>>   equals
>>>>>>   wISop jIH SoH je
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {je} can also be used to conjoin objects:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   HIq vItlhutlh 'ej bIQ vItlhutlh je
>>>>>>   I drink alcohol and I drink water too
>>>>>>   I drink alcohol and also water
>>>>>>   equals
>>>>>>   HIq bIQ je vItlhutlh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Much of the time you wouldn't use {je} as I've used it above. {vISop 'ej
>>>>>> DaSop} may be all you need. {je} is good for a "me too!" kind of expression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   jatlh qama': jIghung.
>>>>>>   The prisoner says, "I am hungry."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   jatlh 'avwI': jIghung je.
>>>>>>   The guard says, "I am also hungry." (PK)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Dargh wIb vItlhutlh.
>>>>>>   I'll drink sour tea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Dargh wIb tlhutlh je jupwI'.
>>>>>>   My friend will drink sour tea as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   jonwI', QuQ tItI'
>>>>>>   Engineer, fix the engines!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   qa'vIn jan yItI' je!
>>>>>>   Fix the coffee machine too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> SuStel
>>>>>> http://trimboli.name
>>>>>>
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