[Tlhingan-hol] Royal We Beginners' Conversation

[mayql qunenoS]

ok, I think I found it..

lajlaHbe'lu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
in order to overcome this situation, which someone is unable to
accept, it is the only way !

or maybe

lajlaHbe'lu'bogh ghu'vam'e' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !

cpt qunnoQ

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:09 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, scratch the last sentence ; I just remembered that {-bogh} is a verb suffix.
>
> so it is either
>
> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
> in order to overcome this situation, (that) one is unable to accept
> (the situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>
> or maybe the simpler
>
> lajlaHbe'lu' ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>
> on the other hand, can I have both {-laH} and {-lu'} on the same verb
> ? and even if I could, maybe the {ghu'vam} would need to preceed the
> {lajlaHbe'lu'}
>
> so maybe the correct sentence would be
>
> ghu'vam lajlaHbe'lu' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>
> but again I *feel* that something is probably still wrong..
>
> cpt qunnoQ
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 4:39 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> repmey puS ret,'uSghebmey rurbogh tera'ngan bo'Deghmey DIQub
>> few hours ago, we were thinking about terran birds which resemble 'uSghebmey.
>>
>> 'ej maQeHqu'choH.
>> and we became pissed.
>>
>> nuvpu' vemmoHmeH, DIb lughaj'a' bo'Deghmey lamvam ?
>> do these filthy birds have the right, to wake up people ?
>>
>> yIQub !
>> think about it !
>>
>> jaj naQvaD SuvumtaHDI' 'ej SuDoy'qu' SuleSnIS'a' ?
>> if you are working for an entire day and you are very tired, don't you
>> need to rest ?
>>
>> SuQongqu'nIS'a' ?
>> don't you very much need to sleep ?
>>
>> 'ach vaj nargh bo'Degh lam 'ej jachtaHchoH.
>> however then, the filthy bird appears, and starts screaming.
>>
>> cheghelDI', luSoplu' 'e' luqotlh bo'Deghmeyvam.
>> if you ask us, these birds deserve to be eaten..
>>
>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>> in order to overcome this situation,one is unable to accept (the
>> situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>>
>> or maybe
>>
>> lajlaHbe' net ghu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
>> in order to overcome this situation, which situation one is unable to
>> accept, it is the only way !
>>
>> cpt qunnoQ
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 7:08 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ok,thank you for teaching me all this ! I will take care from now on,
>>> to use {je} correctly.
>>>
>>> cpt qunnoQ
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:36 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>>> On 12/31/2015 10:00 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'ach tera'ngan *rooster* rurqu'bejmo', wIlo'.
>>>>> however, because it definitely resembles a lot the terran rooster, we used
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'ej wISopbej je !
>>>>> and we would undoubtebly eat it too !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's a point of grammar that I only recently learned to use correctly.
>>>> Even after all this time (I started learning Klingon in the early '90s)
>>>> there are still things to learn.
>>>>
>>>> {je} is a noun conjunction, even when it's used after a verb. You can't use
>>>> it unless you're saying something like "X did such-and-such and Y did
>>>> such-and-such too." The verb has to be the same or similar so the meaning of
>>>> {je} is to say that X and Y did the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Your sentences, simplified, are
>>>>
>>>>    *wIlo' 'ej wISop je
>>>>    we use it and we eat it too
>>>>
>>>> But it can't be used like that. {je} would be interpreted to mean {maH maH
>>>> je}, and the verbs are not similar, so what are we and we doing? It's a bit
>>>> of a mess. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, I would have said this sentence
>>>> was fine, but it's not.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an example using {je} after a verb correctly:
>>>>
>>>>   vISop 'ej DaSop je
>>>>   I eat it and you eat it too
>>>>   I eat it and so do you
>>>>
>>>> The {je} conjoins the elided {jIH} and {SoH} of the sentences.
>>>>
>>>>    vISop jIH 'ej DaSop je SoH
>>>>    equals
>>>>    wISop jIH SoH je
>>>>
>>>> {je} can also be used to conjoin objects:
>>>>
>>>>    HIq vItlhutlh 'ej bIQ vItlhutlh je
>>>>    I drink alcohol and I drink water too
>>>>    I drink alcohol and also water
>>>>    equals
>>>>    HIq bIQ je vItlhutlh
>>>>
>>>> Much of the time you wouldn't use {je} as I've used it above. {vISop 'ej
>>>> DaSop} may be all you need. {je} is good for a "me too!" kind of expression.
>>>>
>>>>    jatlh qama': jIghung.
>>>>    The prisoner says, "I am hungry."
>>>>
>>>>    jatlh 'avwI': jIghung je.
>>>>    The guard says, "I am also hungry." (PK)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Dargh wIb vItlhutlh.
>>>>    I'll drink sour tea.
>>>>
>>>>    Dargh wIb tlhutlh je jupwI'.
>>>>    My friend will drink sour tea as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    jonwI', QuQ tItI'
>>>>    Engineer, fix the engines!
>>>>
>>>>    qa'vIn jan yItI' je!
>>>>    Fix the coffee machine too!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> SuStel
>>>> http://trimboli.name
>>>>
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