[Tlhingan-hol] Royal We Beginners' Conversation

[mayql qunenoS]

ok, scratch the last sentence ; I just remembered that {-bogh} is a verb suffix.

so it is either

lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
in order to overcome this situation, (that) one is unable to accept
(the situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !

or maybe the simpler

lajlaHbe'lu' ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !

on the other hand, can I have both {-laH} and {-lu'} on the same verb
? and even if I could, maybe the {ghu'vam} would need to preceed the
{lajlaHbe'lu'}

so maybe the correct sentence would be

ghu'vam lajlaHbe'lu' juSmeH, He neH 'oH !

but again I *feel* that something is probably still wrong..

cpt qunnoQ


On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 4:39 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> repmey puS ret,'uSghebmey rurbogh tera'ngan bo'Deghmey DIQub
> few hours ago, we were thinking about terran birds which resemble 'uSghebmey.
>
> 'ej maQeHqu'choH.
> and we became pissed.
>
> nuvpu' vemmoHmeH, DIb lughaj'a' bo'Deghmey lamvam ?
> do these filthy birds have the right, to wake up people ?
>
> yIQub !
> think about it !
>
> jaj naQvaD SuvumtaHDI' 'ej SuDoy'qu' SuleSnIS'a' ?
> if you are working for an entire day and you are very tired, don't you
> need to rest ?
>
> SuQongqu'nIS'a' ?
> don't you very much need to sleep ?
>
> 'ach vaj nargh bo'Degh lam 'ej jachtaHchoH.
> however then, the filthy bird appears, and starts screaming.
>
> cheghelDI', luSoplu' 'e' luqotlh bo'Deghmeyvam.
> if you ask us, these birds deserve to be eaten..
>
> lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
> in order to overcome this situation,one is unable to accept (the
> situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !
>
> or maybe
>
> lajlaHbe' net ghu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
> in order to overcome this situation, which situation one is unable to
> accept, it is the only way !
>
> cpt qunnoQ
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 7:08 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ok,thank you for teaching me all this ! I will take care from now on,
>> to use {je} correctly.
>>
>> cpt qunnoQ
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:36 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>> On 12/31/2015 10:00 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 'ach tera'ngan *rooster* rurqu'bejmo', wIlo'.
>>>> however, because it definitely resembles a lot the terran rooster, we used
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> 'ej wISopbej je !
>>>> and we would undoubtebly eat it too !
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a point of grammar that I only recently learned to use correctly.
>>> Even after all this time (I started learning Klingon in the early '90s)
>>> there are still things to learn.
>>>
>>> {je} is a noun conjunction, even when it's used after a verb. You can't use
>>> it unless you're saying something like "X did such-and-such and Y did
>>> such-and-such too." The verb has to be the same or similar so the meaning of
>>> {je} is to say that X and Y did the same thing.
>>>
>>> Your sentences, simplified, are
>>>
>>>    *wIlo' 'ej wISop je
>>>    we use it and we eat it too
>>>
>>> But it can't be used like that. {je} would be interpreted to mean {maH maH
>>> je}, and the verbs are not similar, so what are we and we doing? It's a bit
>>> of a mess. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, I would have said this sentence
>>> was fine, but it's not.
>>>
>>> Here's an example using {je} after a verb correctly:
>>>
>>>   vISop 'ej DaSop je
>>>   I eat it and you eat it too
>>>   I eat it and so do you
>>>
>>> The {je} conjoins the elided {jIH} and {SoH} of the sentences.
>>>
>>>    vISop jIH 'ej DaSop je SoH
>>>    equals
>>>    wISop jIH SoH je
>>>
>>> {je} can also be used to conjoin objects:
>>>
>>>    HIq vItlhutlh 'ej bIQ vItlhutlh je
>>>    I drink alcohol and I drink water too
>>>    I drink alcohol and also water
>>>    equals
>>>    HIq bIQ je vItlhutlh
>>>
>>> Much of the time you wouldn't use {je} as I've used it above. {vISop 'ej
>>> DaSop} may be all you need. {je} is good for a "me too!" kind of expression.
>>>
>>>    jatlh qama': jIghung.
>>>    The prisoner says, "I am hungry."
>>>
>>>    jatlh 'avwI': jIghung je.
>>>    The guard says, "I am also hungry." (PK)
>>>
>>>
>>>    Dargh wIb vItlhutlh.
>>>    I'll drink sour tea.
>>>
>>>    Dargh wIb tlhutlh je jupwI'.
>>>    My friend will drink sour tea as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>    jonwI', QuQ tItI'
>>>    Engineer, fix the engines!
>>>
>>>    qa'vIn jan yItI' je!
>>>    Fix the coffee machine too!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> SuStel
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>>>
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