[Tlhingan-hol] Royal We Beginners' Conversation

[mayql qunenoS]

repmey puS ret,'uSghebmey rurbogh tera'ngan bo'Deghmey DIQub
few hours ago, we were thinking about terran birds which resemble 'uSghebmey.

'ej maQeHqu'choH.
and we became pissed.

nuvpu' vemmoHmeH, DIb lughaj'a' bo'Deghmey lamvam ?
do these filthy birds have the right, to wake up people ?

yIQub !
think about it !

jaj naQvaD SuvumtaHDI' 'ej SuDoy'qu' SuleSnIS'a' ?
if you are working for an entire day and you are very tired, don't you
need to rest ?

SuQongqu'nIS'a' ?
don't you very much need to sleep ?

'ach vaj nargh bo'Degh lam 'ej jachtaHchoH.
however then, the filthy bird appears, and starts screaming.

cheghelDI', luSoplu' 'e' luqotlh bo'Deghmeyvam.
if you ask us, these birds deserve to be eaten..

lajlaHbe' net ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
in order to overcome this situation,one is unable to accept (the
situation is what he is unable to accept), it is the only way !

or maybe

lajlaHbe' net ghu'bogh ghu'vam juSmeH, He neH 'oH !
in order to overcome this situation, which situation one is unable to
accept, it is the only way !

cpt qunnoQ

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 7:08 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> ok,thank you for teaching me all this ! I will take care from now on,
> to use {je} correctly.
>
> cpt qunnoQ
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:36 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>> On 12/31/2015 10:00 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>>
>>> 'ach tera'ngan *rooster* rurqu'bejmo', wIlo'.
>>> however, because it definitely resembles a lot the terran rooster, we used
>>> it.
>>>
>>> 'ej wISopbej je !
>>> and we would undoubtebly eat it too !
>>
>>
>> Here's a point of grammar that I only recently learned to use correctly.
>> Even after all this time (I started learning Klingon in the early '90s)
>> there are still things to learn.
>>
>> {je} is a noun conjunction, even when it's used after a verb. You can't use
>> it unless you're saying something like "X did such-and-such and Y did
>> such-and-such too." The verb has to be the same or similar so the meaning of
>> {je} is to say that X and Y did the same thing.
>>
>> Your sentences, simplified, are
>>
>>    *wIlo' 'ej wISop je
>>    we use it and we eat it too
>>
>> But it can't be used like that. {je} would be interpreted to mean {maH maH
>> je}, and the verbs are not similar, so what are we and we doing? It's a bit
>> of a mess. Prior to a couple of weeks ago, I would have said this sentence
>> was fine, but it's not.
>>
>> Here's an example using {je} after a verb correctly:
>>
>>   vISop 'ej DaSop je
>>   I eat it and you eat it too
>>   I eat it and so do you
>>
>> The {je} conjoins the elided {jIH} and {SoH} of the sentences.
>>
>>    vISop jIH 'ej DaSop je SoH
>>    equals
>>    wISop jIH SoH je
>>
>> {je} can also be used to conjoin objects:
>>
>>    HIq vItlhutlh 'ej bIQ vItlhutlh je
>>    I drink alcohol and I drink water too
>>    I drink alcohol and also water
>>    equals
>>    HIq bIQ je vItlhutlh
>>
>> Much of the time you wouldn't use {je} as I've used it above. {vISop 'ej
>> DaSop} may be all you need. {je} is good for a "me too!" kind of expression.
>>
>>    jatlh qama': jIghung.
>>    The prisoner says, "I am hungry."
>>
>>    jatlh 'avwI': jIghung je.
>>    The guard says, "I am also hungry." (PK)
>>
>>
>>    Dargh wIb vItlhutlh.
>>    I'll drink sour tea.
>>
>>    Dargh wIb tlhutlh je jupwI'.
>>    My friend will drink sour tea as well.
>>
>>
>>    jonwI', QuQ tItI'
>>    Engineer, fix the engines!
>>
>>    qa'vIn jan yItI' je!
>>    Fix the coffee machine too!
>>
>>
>> --
>> SuStel
>> http://trimboli.name
>>
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