[Tlhingan-hol] vulqa'nganpu'

[lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh]

I know I come across as stubborn. Trust that I’m being honest about what I believe that I understand. I don’t enjoy arguing all that much.

A compound sentence is not two sentences. It was a pair of sentences before the conjunction was added, but please recognize that we call it *A* compound sentence. We don’t call it a PAIR of sentences, compounded. When you add a Type 9 suffix to a verb for a clause that would have been a complete sentence before the suffix was added, that clause stops being a sentence and becomes a dependent clause. When you add a conjunction, the two sentences similarly stop being separate sentences and become one. That’s the purpose of conjunctions. If we didn’t want that end effect, we would not have conjunctions. It’s just what they do.

As to the Vixis quote below, Vixis is essentially finishing a sentence begun by the captain when he set the course. This is similar to the way that {‘e’} is sometimes used to refer to something that someone else has said. People do, in conversation, sometimes finish each other’s sentences.

As to {qama’pu’ DIHoH ‘ej ‘e’ luSov}, it is simply unlike anything described in TKD or shown in any canon before this newest canon (paq-whatever) which, since it is arranged in stanzas, is arguably an example of poetry, which Okrand has explicitly warned us doesn’t always follow the rules of grammar. See {tlhonmey}.

I’ll address that in the other message that specifically addresses that.

lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably



> On Jan 1, 2016, at 5:13 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
>> In English, we sometimes start a sentence with "But", but so far as we know, in Klingon, "but" is always a conjunction combining two sentences to form one longer sentence,
> 
> There's at least one canon sentence that just begins with {'ach}:
> {'ach HoD, Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e'}
> "But Captain, that course will take us into the Barrier as well."
> (spoken by Vixis in Star Trek V)
> 
> Can anyone think of others, or any sentence beginning with {'ej},
> {pagh}, or another conjunction?
> 
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
>> and in Klingon you can't have a Sentence As Object construction with {'e'} referring back to a conjoined sentence. The {'e'} refers to the preceding sentence, not the first half of the current sentence.
> 
> QeS has already posted a canon counterexample, but even prior to that,
> why do you believe that {'e'} in the second sentence of a compound
> sentence can't refer to the first sentence in that compound sentence?
> What rule(s) are you applying to come to that conclusion?
> 
> We all agree that these are two simple sentences:
> {qama'pu' DIHoH}
> {'e' luSov}
> 
> So what rule(s) about conjunctions prevents the formation of the
> following compound sentence?
> {qama'pu' DIHoH 'ej 'e' luSov} "We kill prisoners, and they know it."
> 
> -- 
> De'vID
> 
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