[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghum

[mayql qunenoS]

Qov:
> {HaqwI' HoHwI'} is a killer of surgeons. {HoHwI' HaqwI'}
> might be an assassin's surgeon.  If you want to call someone
> a "killer surgeon" you need a different construction.
> Make sense?

oh, I see.. So, that's what's happening ! Now, I understand what you
mean.. I hadn't ever noticed that something like that took place. ok
Qov ! I will take into account all this, the next time I come across
the need to use a noun - noun construction.

Thank you for bringing this in my attention !

mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
strength through passion, power through strength, victory through power

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> The noun-noun is something you need to master and use often.
>
> The construction that you like, but which confuses is the noun in apposition one: when you are not using one noun to modify another, but using two nouns to describe the same thing.
>
> For example, loDnI'wI', Sub, ghaH. "he's my brother, the hero" might be better expressed as {loDnI'wI', Sub je ghaH},
>
> {HaqwI' HoHwI'} is a killer of surgeons. {HoHwI' HaqwI'} might be an assassin's surgeon.  If you want to call someone a "killer surgeon" you need a different construction.
>
> You usually use this construction in insults.
>
> Make sense?
>
>> On Feb 27, 2016, at 4:48, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Qov:
>>> It's a construction you (qunnoq) like to use, so I suggest you explore
>>> some alternatives, just so that people have the best chance of understanding
>>> you.
>>
>> This confuses me.. I can understand that when it comes to the phrase
>> {vum verengan},someone could be confused because we have also the verb
>> {vum}, which complicates things. On the other hand though, when we
>> have two nouns in a row, with none of them existing as verb too, then
>> I guess that only one of the three possibilities may exist :
>>
>> 1. either it is a case of possessor possessed (the son of the father)
>> 2. or it is a case where one noun describes an other (limb surgeon)
>> 3. or as it was discussed earlier in this thread, the two nouns can be
>> used in apposition (being "equal" in meaning) (that ferengi, that dog)
>>
>> As I understand it so far, unless we have the case of a noun that
>> exists as verb too, I believe that if someone knows how to place the
>> correct suffixes there is no confusion. Of course I accept that
>> currently, I do not possess the skill in order to make this kind of
>> correct suffix-use.
>>
>> But here is the trap (at least for me it is)..
>>
>> If I say <because currently I haven't mastered the use of suffixes,
>> then I will refrain from the use of noun-noun constructions>, then I
>> will never learn. According  to this reasoning, since currently I
>> haven't mastered anything in klingon, then I should not write anything
>> in klingon. (?!?!). So, how will I learn ?
>>
>> Unless something is wrong, I fail to see why someone shouldn't use it,
>> or at least try to learn it in the first place.
>>
>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>> what was I before I heard the words of the code ? nothing..
>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:39 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:33 PM, lojmIttI'wI'nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree that {vum verengan} is difficult to parse because it can mean “The
>>>> Ferengi works,” “the bastard’s Ferengi” or “the bastard, the Ferengi”. That
>>>> last interpretation is the one I’d be most hesitant to take because it seems
>>>> redundant, and the Klingon language doesn’t tend toward redundancy,
>>>> evidenced by it’s handling of plurality.
>>>>
>>>> We do need a Klingon word for “sniper”, unless they simply think it
>>>> dishonorable to kill without being seen. They do use cloaking devices, after
>>>> all.
>>>
>>> quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh.
>>> The Klingon who kills without showing his face has no honor.
>>>
>>> Cloaking devices have to be deactivated before they can attack (unless you
>>> are Chang).
>>>
>>> qurgh
>>>
>>>
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