[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-mo'} noun suffix vs. {-mo'} verb suffix

[lojmIttI'wI'nuv]

{-mo’} applied to a noun phrase can’t change to behave like a verb suffix any more than {-Daq} or {-‘e’} or {-vaD}. The noun and verb suffixes {-mo’} and {-mo’} sound alike and have a similar sense of meaning, but they are not the same suffix, any more than “wear” and “ware” are the same words in English. Since we write Klingon phonetically, we can’t have different spellings of homonyms to differentiate them.

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lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Feb 18, 2016, at 4:54 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> jIH:
>> vavlI' mIpmo', bInguq or bInguq, vavlI' mIpmo'.
>> because of your rich father you're arrogant.
> Qov:
>> muj cha'DIch. Because {vavlI' mIp} is a noun phrase "your rich father" it
>> can only precede the clause it modifies. Yes, -mo' is on a erb, but it's
>> only on a verb because it has followed the rule and migrated to the verb
>> that modifies vavlI'.
> 
> Thank you for telling me this ; I had the misconception that the -mo'
> noun suffix, as soon as it migrated to a verb, it would start behaving
> as a verb suffix !
> 
> cpt qunnoq
> attack or be slaves
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:01 PM,  <qov at kli.org> wrote:
>>> Ha'DIbaHlIjmo' jIvem.
>>> because of your dog I woke up.
>> 
>> maj.
>> 
>>> QIpmo' Ha'DIbaHlIj, jIvem or jIvem, QIpmo' Ha'DIbaHlIj.
>>> because your dog is stupid, I woke up.
>> 
>> maj.
>> 
>>> vavlI'mo' bImIp.
>>> because of your father you're rich.
>> 
>> maj.
>> 
>>> vavlI' mIpmo', bInguq or bInguq, vavlI' mIpmo'.
>>> because of your rich father you're arrogant.
>> 
>> muj cha'DIch. Because {vavlI' mIp} is a noun phrase "your rich father" it
>> can only precede the clause it modifies. Yes, -mo' is on a erb, but it's
>> only on a verb because it has followed the rule and migrated to the verb
>> that modifies vavlI'.
>> 
>> vavlI' mIpmo' bInguq.
>> or
>> bInguq mIpmo' vavlI'. = You are arrogant because your father is rich.
>> See the difference?
>> 
>>> puH DujlIjmo' jIrIQ.
>>> because of your car I'm injured.
>>> 
>>> muqIpmo' puH DujlIj, jIrIQ or jIrIQ, muqIpmo' puH DujlIj.
>>> because your car hit me I am injured.
>> 
>> maj.
>> 
>>> If at the above sentences there are mistakes, please do tell me. Also, the
>>> way I understand this a noun bearing a -mo' must always come on the
>>> beginning of a sentence, whereas a verb with a -mo' can be placed either
>> at
>>> the beginning or the end. If I understand this wrong, please correct me.
>> 
>> Your understanding is correct, with the little adjustment above, for when
>> the verb is acting as an adjective.  Also lojmIt tIwI' nuv personally
>> prefers that verb clauses with -mo' also go before the main clause. There's
>> no rule at all, he just likes it that way, so when I'm writing to make him
>> happy, I do that.  :-)
>> 
>> - Qov
>> 
>> 
>> 
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