[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nID

Wed Feb 17 00:40:01 PST 2016

jIH :
> muQuchqu'mo'
Qov :
> should have been {muQuchmoHmo'} "because it makes me happy"

True.

jIH :
> 'ej QInHommey Quch vIghItlh.
Qov :
> So translate this as "I will write happy notes." (presuming that "note" is the
> diminutive of message.  I'm not really sure why qunnoq considers his message
> to be less than a message).

Because I'm fed up of this internet trash-for-a-terminology ; threads,
replies to replies, likes, dislikes etc. I won't loose any sleep over
choosing the right word for this filth.

jIH :
> matammoH'eghjaj 'ej Hovmeymaj Hurgh DItIv
Qov :
> Also I suspect the author wants to express the "may" idea with the second
> verb, too, but the way you've translated it is what was written.

Actually no.. The intented meaning was <may we shut up and enjoy the
stars> ; not <may we shut up and may we enjoy the stars>.

jIH :
> matammoH'eghjaj
Qov :
> Note that the suffixes are in the wrong order here. It should be matam'eghmoHjaj.
QISta' :
> the fact that "tammoH" is listed in boQwI' as a single unit could
> definitely be confusing on that point!

Indeed QISta', that's what got me too. Whenever I saw in boQwI' a word
such as {tammoH}, I never thought that the {-moH} would have to be
moved in case another type of suffix needed to be shoved to it. I
believed that Okrand intented this to work as a single word.. Luckily,
we learned that it isn't so. I would suggest though, that since boQwI'
is primarily used by beginners (if you're a grammarian, what would you
need it for ?), it would be nice if in verbs such as {tammoH}, a
comment would be added saying that a beginner needs to take heed of
the order of any suffixes he may attach there. Of course, there is
always the option of hitting "analyze", but I doubt a beginner would
go into that detail..

cpt qunnoq
SIbI'Ha' qIb luche' SItlhpu' 'ej qaS roj

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:22 AM, chransberry at gmail.com
<chransberry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>muQuchqu'mo'
>
>>should have been {muQuchmoHmo'} "because it makes me happy"
>
> Yes, I thought so.
>
>>Note jItaHlaHbe' - the prefix jI- means the subject of the verb is I.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out; I didn't notice. Guess I should pay better
> attention!
>
>>>'ej QInHommey Quch vIghItlh.
>
>>Remember that Klingon sentences are OVS but English sentences are generally
>> written SVO. So translate this as "I will write happy notes."
>
> Oh yeah, you're right. I am just so used to any and all word orders that I
> didn't think about it.
>
>>>matammoH'eghjaj
>
>>Note that the suffixes are in the wrong order here. It should be
>> matam'eghmoHjaj.
>
> Hmm... the fact that "tammoH" is listed in boQwI' as a single unit could
> definitely be confusing on that point!
>
> -QISta'
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca>
> To: "chransberry at gmail.com" <chransberry at gmail.com>
> Cc: "tlhingan-hol at kli.org" <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2016 21:18:01 GMT+00:00
>
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nID
>
> With a couple of small exceptions you've translated what was written. He was
> referring to a previous transmission which you at not have seen. Some
> comments:
>
> muQuchqu'mo'
>
>
> should have been {muQuchmoHmo'} "because it makes me happy" and let's see
> what else we've got.
>
> Note jItaHlaHbe' - the prefix jI- means the subject of the verb is I.
>
> 'ej QInHommey Quch vIghItlh.
>
>
> Remember that Klingon sentences are OVS but English sentences are generally
> written SVO. So translate this as "I will write happy notes." (presuming
> that "note" is the diminutive of message.  I'm not really sure why qunnoq
> considers his message to be less than a message).
>
> matammoH'eghjaj
>
>
> Note that the suffixes are in the wrong order here.  It should be
> matam'eghmoHjaj. Also I suspect the author wants to express the "may" idea
> with the second verb, too, but the way you've translated it is what was
> written.
>
> majQa'. mughmeH Qu' ngeD DawIvbe'pu'.
>
> - Qov
>
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 12:24, "chransberry at gmail.com"<chransberry at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm...
>
> "Because it happies me, in my last little message as for the perfect
> darkness which I describe, it cannot continue and happy little messages I
> write.. May we silence ourselves and we enjoy our dark stars.. If we silence
> ourselves we can certainly listen to them."
>
> Sorry, that's the best I can do...
>
> -QISta'
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> From: mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>
> To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2016 17:59:07 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nID
>
>> chaq Ha'DIbaH nge' verengan!
>
> muQuchqu'mo', QInHomwIj QavDaq Hurghchu'ghach'e' vIDelbogh,
> jItaHlaHbe' 'ej QInHommey Quch vIghItlh..
> matammoH'eghjaj 'ej Hovmeymaj Hurgh DItIv.. matammoH'eghchugh vaj
> DIQoylaHbej..
>
> cpt qunnoq
> reH taHjaj QIbmey.. reH che'jaj QIbmey..
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, chransberry at gmail.com
> wrote:
>> chaq Ha'DIbaH nge' verengan!
>>
>> -QISta'
>>
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>>
>> From: mayql qunenoS
>> To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2016 16:32:52 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nID
>>
>>> jISovbe'! Ha'DIbaH vISam 'e' vinID, 'ach jIQapbe'!
>>
>> hahaha ! vaj be', DaSamqa' !
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 6:20 PM, chransberry at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>> jatlh qunnoq:
>>>
>>>>be', nuqDaq oHtaH nImwIj'e'?
>>>
>>> jISovbe'! Ha'DIbaH vISam 'e' vinID, 'ach jIQapbe'! :-(
>>>
>>> -QISta'
>>>
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>>> -----Original message-----
>>>
>>> From: qurgh lungqIj
>>> To: "tlhingan-hol at kli.org"
>>> Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2016 15:02:43 GMT+00:00
>>> Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nID
>>>
>>> Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, February 16, 2016
>>>
>>> Klingon word: nID
>>> Part of speech: verb
>>> Definition: attempt, try
>>> Source: TKD (96 KE, 121 EK, 159 EK)
>>>
>>>
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