[Tlhingan-hol] Interesting {je}

[SuStel]

On 2/5/2016 7:17 AM, De'vID wrote:
> SuStel:
>>> Except {je} does not mean <Someone does a thing> <Someone does a different
>>> thing also>. Conjoining verbs like that is what {'ej} is for. See my reply
>>> to André Müller on this.
>
> ghunchu'wI':
>> I used to be similarly strict in my belief about {je}. Then it was
>> pointed out to me that Marc Okrand once wrote:
>>> qep'a' wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'pu'. ghoHtaH je. tIv'eghtaH je.
>>
>> http://klingonska.org/canon/1996-11-10b-news.txt
>>
>> According to this, {V1. V2 je} *can* mean [V1 happens. V2 also
>> happens.] TKD simply gives incomplete information in this case.
>>
>> Accepting this usage means that {yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'} doesn't
>> have to be dismissed as "poetic grammar".
>
> There's also this SkyBox card:
>
> {lI’­qu’ tlhI­ngan may’ taj. not Hub­’egh­rup­Ha’ lo’­wI’. taj
> Dop­mey­Daq nargh cha’ taj­Hom. ghop lu­Qan taj­Hom­mey. pe’­laH je.
> moQ­Daq DuQ­wI’ Hom­mey jej tu’­lu’. pay’ HIv­DI’ lo’­wI’ pagh mup­DI’
> QIH­chu’ bIH.}
> "The Klingon battle knife is designed primarily for versatility of
> use, so that the user is never caught at a disadvantage. Two small,
> secondary blades eject from the knife’s sides, providing both a hand
> guard and another set of cutting edges. A brutally spiked pommel
> fastens the hilt together to provide a damaging surprise attack or
> give a devastating backhand stroke."
>
> The relevant part: {ghop lu­Qan taj­Hom­mey. pe’­laH je.}  One can
> interpret this to mean "The secondary blades (in addition to the main
> blades) can cut", but another (perhaps more natural?) way to read this
> is as "the secondary blades protect the hand; they can also cut".

I'm sold. I guess the correction I received on this topic was incomplete 
in its consideration of canon.

P.S.: I found at least one more of these in paq'batlh...

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