[Tlhingan-hol] Expressing instrumentality

[mayqel qunenoS]

'arHa':
> 'aqnaw lo'taHvIS, HoH. - While using a general-purpose knife, she killed him.

I disagree with that sentence. The way I read it, this means :

"while she was using the knife (to do whatever), she killed him". It
doesn't necessarily express that she used the knife in order kill him.
the {-taHvIS} expresses that "while something is happening" ; it
doesn't express purpose.

'arHa':
> The {lo'taHvIS} example covers your example of "We built the table with a hammer"

same here. we used the hammer for the purpose of building the table;
not while we were using the hammer we built the table.

mIv mop je Hurgh qunnoq

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> {vegh} means to go through an opening of some sort (open door, tunnel
> etc) ; not even "go through" a forest.
>
> your sentences could be expressed as :
>
> because of hard work we succeeded / because we worked hard we succeeded
> in order to build the table we used a hammer
> because we negotiated we prevented war
>
> the general advice would be, to try an substitute as many nouns as
> possible, by using verbs. don't focus on trying to translate the exact
> english words to klingon ; try rather expressing the meaning in
> klingon.
>
> mIv mop je Hurgh qunnoq
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 4:07 AM, Dillon, Kyle <kyledi at spu.edu> wrote:
>> How does one express instrumentality in Klingon? That is, "through," "with,"
>> or "by means of"? Examples:
>>
>> We succeeded through hard work.
>> We built the table with a hammer.
>> We prevented war by means of negotiation.
>>
>> I'm wondering if it may be some kind of subordinate clause with the verb
>> vegh? Or do I just have to settle for the causative suffix -mo?
>>
>> -qayl
>>
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