[Tlhingan-hol] thIngan Hol yejHaD Degh qun

[André Müller]

Don't worry, qunnoQ, you are still a beginner, but I found your attempt
surprisingly good, you're definitely on the right track to mastering the
warrior's tongue!

A few tips, though:
* {qaStaHvIS x} literally means "while x was/is/will be happening", and is
used for more complicated time stamps. So usually it just means "during x"
or "when x happened"

* Klingon has some compound words like HolQeD (languagescience, i.e.
linguistics), but most often when you see something attached to the end of
a word that you've identified, it is probably a suffix. When I was a
beginner, I always referred to the alphabetical list of affixes in the end
of TKD ('The Klingon Dictionary', I'm sure you know by now), that helped a
lot, and after a while I didn't need to do that anymore. :) So, where you
identified "to farm" and saw that it didn't make any sense, you should have
identified it as a suffix. De'vID already gave you the meaning.

* also always keep in mind the word order of Klingon: OVS, with anything
adverbial coming at the front and the verb always agreeing with the subject
and the object. Modifying "Adjectives" (really actually verbs) follow the
nouns, but modifying nouns (as in N N constructions) as well as numbers
precede them. Keeping that in mind immensely helps deciphering Klingon and
writing in it oneself.

* translation attempts aren't in vain, it not only helps you remember the
vocabulary, but also to see how experiences speakers use the language. You
might have come across problems that you couldn't solve, e.g. I was
perplexed about the lack of a word for "with" and "without"  back in the
days when I started, and I tried to misuse suffixes for that... but then I
read some Klingon text and tried to see how it actually worked and found
out how. That was very helpful.

Not bad! Not bad at all! :)
- André
On Oct 31, 2015 10:40, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 31 October 2015 at 09:15, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Qo’.  tlhIngan Hol’e’ bopbe’. tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop.
>>  yImugh SoH ‘ej bIQaghchugh nIQaH latlhpu’
>> no. this does not concern the klingon language. it concerns the KLI
>> symbol. you must translate it,and if you make mistakes they will help you
>> another one (?).
>>
>
> In {nIQaH latlhpu'}, the subject of {nIQaH} is {latlhpu'}.
>
>
>> > jIjanglaH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.
>> to be able to reply i examined and farmed my HolQeD package (?!?!?!) (i
>> laughed so hard that tears came out of my eyes..)
>>
>
> {-wIj} is a suffix here, not the verb {wIj}.
>
>
>> > tera’ DIS wa’SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH jav qep’a’Daq Degh chu’ ‘ang ‘angghal.
>> earth years one thousand nine hundred nine ten (i guess 1990) at the
>> sixth qep'a' the new symbol was newly jealously revealed
>>
>
> {'angghal} is a name. It's the Klingon name of Lawrence Schoen, KLI
> director.
>
>
>> > qep’a’ jeyDaq Degh Deq lo’lu’, vaj qaStaHvIS qep’a’ much SeQ ta’law’
>> ‘angghal.
>> at that qep'a the prior symbol was defeated, so it was occuring to happen
>> at the qep'a' formal presentation by many was accomplished to be jealously
>> revealed (i feel like an idiot)
>>
>
> {jey} is a noun, not the verb {jey}.
>
> Don't feel like an idiot. Nobody told you that {'angghal} is a name, and
> your attempts to parse it as a word are misleading you.
>
>
>> > chaq ngugh maHvaD Degh cha’bogh HumwI’mey lunoblu’ je.
>> perhaps at that time for us the symbol which was displayed was made
>> sticky they gave it also
>>
>
> {HumwI'} = sticker
>
>
>> > QonoSwIj tIQDaq Deghmey Sar lulo’pu’bogh vImuch.
>> my journal one of the various ancient symbols which they used and they
>> presented
>>
>
> {tIQ} applies to {QonoS} not to {Degh} here. The journal Qov is referring
> to is her blog.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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