[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects

[qunnoQ HoD]

Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.
>
> qunnoQ
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve proven many times the poor quality of my memory, particularly when
>> relating to the questions “who, what, when, where”, though I tend to better
>> remember “how” and “why”. I don’t have your phonographic memory.
>>
>> What I remember about the interview was that we tried to avoid talking
>> much about the language before or after the interview specifically to avoid
>> the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wanted everything
>> said to be in the interview, available to the most people and not some kind
>> of insider info. I didn’t want to come out of the rare opportunity of
>> talking with him with any information that didn’t get shared in HolQeD.
>>
>> That I said, “And a typical direct object of {ja’} would be the person
>> addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you
>> say,” suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in the
>> interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I made
>> it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal,
>> though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow
>> then, but I doubt it.
>>
>> I don’t think I did a lot of leading the witness in the interview. I
>> tried hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he would
>> either accept, reject, or better explain.
>>
>> I don’t have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it again and
>> see if I can be more specific, though I trust that you’ve already been
>> through it and there’s probably nothing to find.
>>
>> What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the two
>> verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a
>> similar difference in the verbs for asking...
>>
>> pItlh
>> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/18/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:
>>
>> He said that the direct object of {ja’} was the person or persons
>> being addressed, hence {ja’chuq} being translated as “discuss”
>> because it involves people telling each other something.
>>
>>
>> If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he
>> said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published
>> source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU made
>> this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.
>>
>> ==
>> WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to
>>    comment on?
>>
>> MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?
>>
>> WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed
>> and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.
>>
>> MO: The speech event.
>>
>> WM: I like that term.
>>
>> MO: Including a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah"
>> {jatlh}.
>>
>> --
>> SuStel
>> http://trimboli.name
>>
>>
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