[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects

[qunnoQ HoD]

Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.

qunnoQ

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I’ve proven many times the poor quality of my memory, particularly when
> relating to the questions “who, what, when, where”, though I tend to better
> remember “how” and “why”. I don’t have your phonographic memory.
>
> What I remember about the interview was that we tried to avoid talking
> much about the language before or after the interview specifically to avoid
> the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wanted everything
> said to be in the interview, available to the most people and not some kind
> of insider info. I didn’t want to come out of the rare opportunity of
> talking with him with any information that didn’t get shared in HolQeD.
>
> That I said, “And a typical direct object of {ja’} would be the person
> addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you
> say,” suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in the
> interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I made
> it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal,
> though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow
> then, but I doubt it.
>
> I don’t think I did a lot of leading the witness in the interview. I tried
> hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he would
> either accept, reject, or better explain.
>
> I don’t have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it again and
> see if I can be more specific, though I trust that you’ve already been
> through it and there’s probably nothing to find.
>
> What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the two
> verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a
> similar difference in the verbs for asking...
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> On 11/18/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:
>
> He said that the direct object of {ja’} was the person or persons
> being addressed, hence {ja’chuq} being translated as “discuss”
> because it involves people telling each other something.
>
>
> If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he
> said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published
> source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU made
> this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.
>
> ==
> WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to
>    comment on?
>
> MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?
>
> WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed and
> a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.
>
> MO: The speech event.
>
> WM: I like that term.
>
> MO: Including a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah"
> {jatlh}.
>
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