[Tlhingan-hol] Piraha

[Will Martin]

Oh, and you are totally right that {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH} sort of means “May they keep fighting with honor.” The reason I’m a little squeamish on this is that the original follows NORMAL Klingon grammar and puts {-jaj} on the verb, but when we were introduced to {-jaj}, due to a likely blunder on Okrand’s part, sentences built on verbs with {-jaj} added have an exceptional word order, placing all the nouns before the verb, so technically {chaH} is misplaced.

I think consensus is sort of kinda pushing for it being okay to use normal word order with {-jaj}, with a vague, wittering explanation about the difference between ancient, oft-repeated blessings vs. modern expressions of wishfulness, but I’m not sure we ever got The Word from The Man on this one. Also, though I know that the traditional blessing using {-jaj} puts the subject before the verb, I’m less sure where a direct object would go (before or after the subject).

Also, note that I’m battling with a stupid spell-checker that keeps changing {qep’a’} to either “cep’a’” or “eep’a’”, and {batlh} becomes “bath”. So, while spelling has never really been my strong suit, when writing in Klingon, the computer is at fault more often than I am.

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lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:04 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > {tugh batlh Heghmo’} "soon he dies with honor"
> 
> i'm sorry to lead this discussion of track,but {-mo'} as i just saw,translates to <<due to,because of>>. 
> why is then the translation <<soon he dies with honor>> and not <<soon he dies because of honor>> ?
> 
> 
> > {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH} "they always fight with honor"
> 
> {reH} always
> {batlh} honor
> {Suv} to fight
> {-taH} continuous
> {-jaj} may
> {chaH} they
> 
> why <<they always fight with honor>> and not <<may they keep fighting with honor>> ?
> 
> qunnoQ HoD
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de <mailto:levinius at gmx.de>> wrote:
> I'm not sure what the initial question was, but these examples do not show a real answer, in my opinion. All of the multiple adverbials are actually time stamps plus adverb, so not really "TWO" adverbs.
> The only rule we can see here, is that time stamps come first:
> 
> {tugh batlh Heghmo’}
> "soon he dies with honor"
> 
> {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH}
> "they always fight with honor"
> 
> I don't see two adverbials here, unless you see vaj as one, which I see more as a conjunction:
> 
> > Hay’chu’ luneHqu’
> vaj pe’vIl joqqu’
> cha’ tlhIngan tIqDu’
> 
> Any examples with true aderbials or adverbs of the same type??
> 
> 
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> Lieven L. Litaer
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