[Tlhingan-hol] Piraha

[Will Martin]

Actually, {tugh batlh Heghmo’} means “because he soon dies honorably”. It’s not a sentence. It’s a dependent clause. The {-mo’} applies to the death, not the honor; to the verb, not the noun, and there is no noun because {batlh} here is used as an adverbial, not as a noun. There are two different words spelled and pronounced {batlh}. One is a noun. The other is an adverbial.

And while Quvar valer ‘utlh may consider {vaj} to be a conjunction, TKD lists it as an adverbial. While we often use it as a conjunction, we probably err when we do so. Likely, we should be using periods in front of it instead of commas.

Technically, it’s an adverbial beginning the conclusion following from evidence in the previous sentence or multiple sentences. I know of no evidence of it being used as a conjunction in canon.

Of course, there are people here who know canon far better than I do, and I may be, yet again, providing something that requires correction, providing educational resources more valuable than my original suggestion…

It’s a tough job, but somebody’s got to do it.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:04 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > {tugh batlh Heghmo’} "soon he dies with honor"
> 
> i'm sorry to lead this discussion of track,but {-mo'} as i just saw,translates to <<due to,because of>>. 
> why is then the translation <<soon he dies with honor>> and not <<soon he dies because of honor>> ?
> 
> 
> > {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH} "they always fight with honor"
> 
> {reH} always
> {batlh} honor
> {Suv} to fight
> {-taH} continuous
> {-jaj} may
> {chaH} they
> 
> why <<they always fight with honor>> and not <<may they keep fighting with honor>> ?
> 
> qunnoQ HoD
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de <mailto:levinius at gmx.de>> wrote:
> I'm not sure what the initial question was, but these examples do not show a real answer, in my opinion. All of the multiple adverbials are actually time stamps plus adverb, so not really "TWO" adverbs.
> The only rule we can see here, is that time stamps come first:
> 
> {tugh batlh Heghmo’}
> "soon he dies with honor"
> 
> {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH}
> "they always fight with honor"
> 
> I don't see two adverbials here, unless you see vaj as one, which I see more as a conjunction:
> 
> > Hay’chu’ luneHqu’
> vaj pe’vIl joqqu’
> cha’ tlhIngan tIqDu’
> 
> Any examples with true aderbials or adverbs of the same type??
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lieven L. Litaer
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