[Tlhingan-hol] ghawran DIS chu' nabmey

[mayql qunenoS]

qavan SuStel,

and as always thank you for taking the time to reply !

I read carefully your observations,and I understand now everything you
pointed out.

However I wanted to ask you..

you wrote that I should have said :

> Use {toQDuj So'lu'pu'bogh} "bird of prey which has been cloaked."

however this confuses me, since I remember we had said that klingon
doesn't have a passive voice..

cpt qunnoq


On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:27 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 12/29/2015 5:45 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>
>> qen jabbI'ID wo' luwoHpu' nochmaj
>> recently an imperial transmission our sensors pick up
>
>
> {jabbI'ID wo'} is "data transmission empire" (a kind of empire). What you
> want is {wo' jabbI'ID} "empire data transmission" (a kind of transmission).
>
> I think {woH} "pick up" refers to lifting something with your hands, and the
> like. I don't know if it can refer to detection by sensors.
>
>    qen wo' jabbI'ID lutu'pu' nochmaj
>
>> 'ej ghawran DIS chu' nabmey pIQHa' wItu'..
>> gowron's devious new year plans..
>
>
> This sentence is not incorrect, but you might use {wIghoj} instead of
> {wItu'}.
>
>> toQDuj So' ra' ghawran 'ej tera'Daq ngeH.
>> gowron ordered a cloaked bird of prey and sent it to earth.
>
>
> {So'} means "hide," not "be hidden." Use {toQDuj So'lu'pu'bogh} "bird of
> prey which has been cloaked."
>
> When I see {toQDuj So'lu'pu'bogh ra' ghawran} I think it means "Gowron
> commands a cloaked bird of prey." Try these on for size:
>
>    tera'Daq toQDuj So'lu'pu'bogh ngeHpu' ghawran
>    Gowron sent a cloaked bird of prey to Earth
>
>    tera ghoS toQDuj So'lu'pu'bogh 'e' ra' ghawran
>    Gowron commands that a cloaked bird of prey go to Earth
>
>> tI Huj qem 'e' poQ, /mistletoe/ lupong tera'nganpu' 'e' tI.
>> he demanded that it brings a strange plant, a plant that terans call
>> mistletoe.
>
>
> What's that {'e' tI} at the end? The sentences are correct without it. {'e'
> tI} is gibberish.
>
>> /mistletoe/vam lan'egh ghawran, may'DujDaj lojmItmeyDaq
>> gowron will place himself this mistletoe, at his battle cruiser's doors
>
>
> {lan'egh ghawran} means that Gowron will place himself somewhere. We don't
> think you can use objects with {-'egh}. You can achieve the effect you want
> with a little emphasis:
>
>    /mistletoe/vam lan ghawran'e'
>    GOWRON (and not someone else) places this mistletoe
>
> Technically, the locative phrase {may'DujDaj lojmItmeyDaq} needs to come at
> the beginning of the sentence.
>
>    may'DujDaj lojmItmeyDaq /mistletoe/vam lan ghawran'e'
>    GOWRON (and not someone else) places this mistletoe at his battle
>    cruiser's door
>
>> 'ej DIS chu' loS.
>> and wait for the new year.
>>
>> ngugh, Hoch yaS 'uch, bIng /mistletoe/ !
>> at that time, he will embrace every officer under the mistletoe !
>
>
> When using location words like {bIng} and {Dung} (there are lots more of
> them), build them as normal noun-noun constructions. And, as with locative
> phrases in general, they go before the OVS part of the sentence.
>
>    ngugh /mistletoe/ bIngDaq Hoch yaS 'uch
>    at that time he will hold each officer under the mistletoe
>
> Two special notes which relate to this sentence, but which didn't come up.
>
> First, when using those location nouns, if you're combining them with a
> pronoun, DON'T use possessive suffixes. For instance, if you want to say "my
> right side," don't say *{nIHwIj}. We used to think this is what you would
> say. We learned otherwise in some piece of canon. Keep the pronoun separate:
> {jIH nIH} "my right side."
>
> Second, when combining {Hoch} with another noun, the plural marker, or lack
> thereof, becomes important. {Hoch N} means "each N, taken individually,"
> while {Hoch N-mey}, {Hoch N-Du'}, {Hoch N-pu'} mean "all Ns, taken
> together." You used the correct form in your sentence: {Hoch yaS 'uch} "he
> holds each officer (individually)." Don't say {Hoch yaSpu' 'uch} "he holds
> all officers (all at once)." This is the one time that a plural must be
> explicit.
>
> --
> SuStel
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