[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: -bej versus Sov

Will Martin lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com
Tue Dec 22 11:43:17 PST 2015


nuSeHbej. It definitely controls us. Don’t doubt that it controls us. If you trust my word, you know it controls us. The focus here is on how true the statement is that it controls us.

nuSeH ‘e’ vISov. I know that it controls us. Don’t think me ignorant of this fact. The focus here is on who knows that it controls us and who doesn’t.

Doq DujDaj ‘e’ vISov. I know the his ship is red. My sister doesn’t know his ship is red. She’s color blind. Besides, she doesn’t even know which ship is his. But *I* know his ship is red.

Doqbej DujDaj. His ship is definitely red. Not green. Not black. Not white. Not mauve or chartreuse or periwinkle. Red.

cho’IjlaH ‘e’ vISov. I know that you can hear me. Don’t pretend otherwise. Ignoring me won’t help. My friend here doesn’t necessarily know, but I do, and I’m not impressed with your little game pretending to not hear me.

cho’IjlaHbej. You can definitely hear me. See that microphone next to you? I have a sound meter hooked up to it and it’s registering my voice well within the decibels needed for speech understanding, and I’m wearing an ear bud hooked up to the mic and I can hear myself. Also, that person behind you says she can hear me, and this manilla folder I’m holding is from your audiologist, and he says your ears work fine.

And remember, {‘e’} is a pronoun. It’s the direct object of the second verb, so your prefix on that second verb always needs to indicate a 3rd person singular direct object.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Dec 22, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Chelsea Knauf <chelsea.knauf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> {-bej} and {Sov} seem to both occupy a very similar space, so I'm trying to muddle out when one is used over the other.  {-bej} can only be used to describe things the speakers believes to be true, so {Sov} is required for everything but singular first person, I believe.  But when expressing things that I know, are there guidelines for when {-bej} or {jISov} is more appropriate?
> 
> The TKD has the example sentence {nuSeHbej}.  Is there a reason it can be rephrased as {nuSeH 'e' jISov}?
> 
> {Doq DujDaj jISov} or {Doqbej DujDaj}?
> {cho'IjlaH 'e' jISov} or {cho'IjlaHbej}?
> 
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