[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects

[mayql qunenoS]

qavan Bellerophon and thank you for replying.

> Just read TKD 6.2.5.

i just read it again,and I understand (I think) the grammar it
describes,as far as omitting the {'e'} is concerned. I was just
wondering whether the same "philosophy" could be applied with other
verbs too,besides want/say,tell,ask etc.

> you have problems with the last two sentences. Translate them literally into English, letting the chips fall where they may. I expect you'll get something totally different from your
> intended meaning.

yes,that's true.. these sentences would be (respectively) :

they question him they forget
you help me you run

true,these sound strange ; and I guess,unless someone is accustomed to
the {neH} use in constructions such as these,(and assumes the writer
employs the same "philosophy"),
the meaning could very easily be obfuscated.

With all these in mind, yes,it could be possible to rewrite these two
sentences in klingon,saying

{luyu'nIS 'e' lulIj} <they forgot that they needed to question him>
{choQaHmeH bIqet} <in order to help me you run>

I just hoped there was a "simpler" way to express these sentences
without having to resort to the use of {'e'} or {-meH}.

jIQaghlaw'..
apparently I was mistaken..

thanks for clarifying all this for me though !

qavan Bellerophon.

qunnoQ Duj Qel

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Bellerophon, modeler
<bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com> wrote:
> qunnoQ wrote:
>>
>> qavan 'arHa'. I was wondering..
>>
>> We know that we can say :
>>
>> {jIQong vIneH} <I want to sleep.>
>> {qalegh vIneH} <I want to see you.>
>> {Dalegh vIneH} <I want you to see him/her.>
>> {qama'pu' vIjonta' vIneH} <I wanted to capture prisoners.>
>>
>> So I would like to ask you,if in a similar way one could say :
>>
>> {Ha'DIbaHwIj DaHoH DanID} <you try to kill my dog>
>> {luyu' lulIj} <they forget to question him>
>> {choQaH bIqet} <you run to help me>
>>
>
> I don't want to step on John's toes, but maybe he's busy today. I'm sure
> he'll have good advice for you, but I can see that you'll be able answer
> your own question. Just read TKD 6.2.5.
> After you take care of that, you have problems with the last two sentences.
> Translate them literally into English, letting the chips fall where they
> may. I expect you'll get something totally different from your intended
> meaning.
> When we stick an infinitive after a verb, like "You try to kill," "They
> forget to question," or "You run to help," each one uses the infinitive in a
> different role. We know what it means in each case, but we're so used to the
> weird things English does, we rarely notice that they're weird. If you think
> about how the two verbs are related in each case to form the overall
> meaning, you'll find a better way to say it in Klingon.
> ~'eD
>
>
>
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