[Tlhingan-hol] naDev DoyIchlan Hol jatlh 'Iv?

[mayql qunenoS]

maj ! DaH jIyaj.
good ! now I understand.

thanks !

qunnoQ

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
> {-ghach} can be added to any verb with a suffix. While it is not
> specifically illegal to use {-ghach} on a bare verb, it is considered
> “highly marked”, likely similar to the English sentence “You ain’t got no
> good English.” People could understand you, but they’d probably stare, and
> they wouldn’t respect your use of the language very much.
>
> Basically, {-ghach} nominalizes the whole meaning of the verb and all
> intervening suffixes. {jIvtaHghach} makes a noun of continual ignorance
> (being continually ignorant). {Quchchu’taHghach} makes a noun out of
> continuous, perfect happiness (bliss). {lo’laHghach} nominalizes the ability
> to use something (value). {naDHa’ghach} nominalizes the antithesis or
> undoing of commendation. {naDqa’ghach} nominalizes the restoration of
> commendation or the repetition of commendation.
>
> You just don’t use it without another suffix. You can, but you’d better have
> a remarkably good reason, and so far, we have not been given any such good
> reason from Maltz or Okrand. The term “highly marked” is Okrand’s.
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2015, at 9:50 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv,mu'tlheghlIj wIja'chuqnIS.
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv your sentence we need to discuss.
>
> mu'tlheghvam :
> this sentence :
>
> {nIb jIvtaHghach Quchchu’taHghach je}
>
> DaH vIpoj..
> now I will analyze it..
>
> nIb (v) be identical
>
> jIv (v) be ignorant
> -taH (sufffix) continuous
> -ghach nominalizer
>
> Quch (v) be happy
> -chu' clearly,perfectly
> -taH (sufffix) continuous
> -ghach nominalizer
>
> je also,end (joining nouns)
>
> mughlaw' mu'tlheghlIj :
> your sentence apparently translates :
>
> <ignorance and bliss are identical>
>
> qaghel vIneH :
> I want to ask you :
>
> ghItlh TKD : ..verbs ending in suffixes such as -Ha' can take
> -ghach,in order to form nouns..
> TKD writes : ..verbs ending in suffixes such as -Ha' can take
> -ghach,in order to form nouns..
>
> 'ej ghantoHmey nob : lo'laHghach value,naDHa'ghach
> discommendation,naDqa'ghach re-commendation.
> and gives the examples : lo'laHghach value,naDHa'ghach
> discommendation,naDqa'ghach re-commendation.
>
> 'ach mojaqmey {-laH},{-Ha'},{-qa'} joq Dalo'be'. {-taH} Dalo'.
> however you didn't use suffixes the {-laH},{-Ha'},{-qa'}. you used {-taH}.
>
> vaj qaghel vIneH :
> so I want to ask you :
>
> latlh wot mojaqmey rarlaH {-ghach} ?
> to what other additional suffixes is {-ghach} able to connect ?
>
> qunnoQ
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:29 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> De'vID:
>
> DoyIchlan Hol jatlhlaHmo' 'op.
>
>
> QeS 'utlh:
>
> lI'Ha'chu', De'vID. mISba'mo' qunnoQ, qech nIbqu' Dajatlhqa'chugh neH,
> ghaytan DamISHa'moHlaHbe'.
>
>
> lI'law'. pab yaj qunnoQ 'e' vIHar. mu'tlhegh laDqa'chugh ghaytan
> yaj'eghmoHlaH.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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