[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: Due to the refusal, the topic is forgotten

[Fatairae]

Thanks for the response 'arHa.
  Haha, was trying to say, "teacher, be not forgotten!".  I guess I was trying to use the -lu' as kind of a pseudo-passive voice marker, turning forget into forgotten, as is done in some of the -lu' examples. (Deqawlu' - you are remembered, from qaw - remember, TKD 4.2.5).  I was unsure as to how to work that with the imperative, since the subject is always you, and I wanted a null object, and it didn't say anything to the ~contrary~.... Hehe.

  As for 'e' and -mu', after looking back at the type 9's, I realized they're all clause markers, so 'e' to create a sub clause was unnecessary.  So let's try that again:

choleghpu'mo' SuHeghlI'

Which brings up another question (due to my error in prefixes hehe): agreement of person.  Many you's are dying, because of one you.  Need these agree in Klingon, or does it allow the flexibility of addressing the different groups? (I ask because I couldn't find anything related to clause-person agreement in the TKD).


On Dec 1, 2015, at 17:47, John R. Harness <cartweel at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi! Thanks for using the KLBC tag!

I think you have indeed hit on an ambiguity. As far as I understand it, the {-Qo'} will negate the verb root unless it is otherwise made obvious from context. Maybe a more advanced speaker can clarify this.

As for suffix placement, the rule is described in section 4.3 of the dictionary: "Unlike {-be',} the position of {-Qo'} does not change: it occurs last, unless followed by a Type 9 suffix." Note: This is one of those "Rovers" that doesn't rove -- Thanks, Marc. wejpuH.

For this rule to be useful you'll need to remember the Type 9 suffixes, the "syntactic markers" -- -DI', -chugh, -pa', -vIS, -mo', -jaj, -ghach. (See section 4.2.9, and don't forget to check the same section in the addendum.)

Concerning -mo' and 'e', your sentences are correct except that I'm not sure what you are trying to do with the 'e' in your first sentence. 'e' is used to emphasize the topic of statements, in the "to be" statement ({ X 'oH/ghaH Y'e'} = X is Y}) and as a pronoun referring to a previous sentence. Check out TKD sections 3.3.5 and 6.3 for clarification. Also, I think it is generally considered good form but not mandatory that the -mo' statement proceed the rest of the sentence.

I think you are saying "Teacher! Do not forget!" However you should use -Qo' to make imperatives negative -- {yIlIjQo'}. I don't think you can use -lu' with an imperative.

I hope this helps! jatlhwI'pu', what do you think?

'arHa