[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: Due to the refusal, the topic is forgotten

[John R. Harness]

Hi! Thanks for using the KLBC tag!

I think you have indeed hit on an ambiguity. As far as I understand it, the
{-Qo'} will negate the verb root unless it is otherwise made obvious from
context. Maybe a more advanced speaker can clarify this.

As for suffix placement, the rule is described in section 4.3 of the
dictionary: "Unlike {-be',} the position of {-Qo'} does not change: it
occurs last, unless followed by a Type 9 suffix." Note: This is one of
those "Rovers" that doesn't rove -- Thanks, Marc. wejpuH.

For this rule to be useful you'll need to remember the Type 9 suffixes, the
"syntactic markers" -- -DI', -chugh, -pa', -vIS, -mo', -jaj, -ghach. (See
section 4.2.9, and don't forget to check the same section in the addendum.)

Concerning -mo' and 'e', your sentences are correct except that I'm not
sure what you are trying to do with the 'e' in your first sentence. 'e' is
used to emphasize the topic of statements, in the "to be" statement ({ X
'oH/ghaH Y'e'} = X is Y}) and as a pronoun referring to a previous
sentence. Check out TKD sections 3.3.5 and 6.3 for clarification. Also, I
think it is generally considered good form but not mandatory that the -mo'
statement proceed the rest of the sentence.

I think you are saying "Teacher! Do not forget!" However you should use
-Qo' to make imperatives negative -- {yIlIjQo'}. I don't think you can use
-lu' with an imperative.

I hope this helps! jatlhwI'pu', what do you think?

'arHa

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> ghojmoHwI''e' yIlIjbe'lu'!
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> So, a couple ideas here, just throwing them out to see if I've got the
> right idea.
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> Playing with -Qo', and trying to figure out how to use it in a more complex
> construction.  Got simple ones like jItujQo', but when other suffixes enter
> the equation, I become unsure.
>
> bIbIrlaHQo'
> You won't (refuse) be able to be cold
> You are able to refuse to be cold
>
> The second makes more sense, but since the -Qo' must be at the end, it
> gives the impression of being applied to the entire concept.  Or is it just
> one of those ambiguities?
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> Playing with -mo', and incidentally playing with 'e', and wanted to make
> sure these made sense:
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> SuHeghlI' 'e' choleghpu'mo'
> They are dying, because you saw me
>
> qulmo' matujchoH
> Due to the fire, we are becoming hot
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> Incidentally, did the initial statement make sense?
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