[Tlhingan-hol] mu'mey ram

[Bellerophon, modeler]

lojmIt tI'wI': your points are well made. I had been getting into the habit
of writing {qaStaHvIS}, but it seemed redundant for periods of time like
{DISmey 'eq}. I guess it all goes back to TKD: {qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD
Hugh SIjlaH}. I expect that {qaStaHvIS} is slurred in Klingon speech.

<Hov leng> vItIvchu' 'e' Sovbejpu' vavwI' SoSwI' je. cha'maH Hut ben
tlhIngan mu'ghom munob. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj neH. DoyIchlan Hol vIghoj ngugh
'e' maS.

SIbI'Ha' <Hov leng: puH poH veb> bej vavwI'. lutmey tIv. 'utlh mojDI'
lutmeyDaj qonchoH je. <Billy the Kid>, tera' noH'a' cha'DIch, nIyma'mey je
bop lutmeyDaj. Huj lutmeyDaj 'ach qa' je'pu' je. tagha' vanpu' lutmeyDaj.
vagh ben Heghpu' vavwI'.

~'eD

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM, <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, I waited for the BG (Beginners' Grammarian) to step in on this, but
> haven't seen a reply so...
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Bellerophon, modeler <
> bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> mu'mey law' vIlo'laH jIH je, 'ach mu'mey law' vIqawnIS. tlhoy mu'ghom
> vIlo'nISchugh, vaj jIlaDta'pa' jIlIjchoH.
>
>
> jIyajchu'. loQ qay'wI'wIj rur qay'wI'lIj.
>
> Subpu'lI' vIHo' je. jIpo'chu'meH poH yap vIghajpu' 'ach ghojwI' neH jIH.
> cha'maH Hut ben jIHvaD tlhIngan mu'ghom nob SoSwI' vavwI' je.
>
>
> tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'meH tungHa'DI' qorDu' qub wanI'.
>
> DISmey 'eq Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu' 'e' ngugh vISovbe'.
>
>
> This is a little bit confusing. {DISmey 'eq} doesn't seem to have a
> grammatical function in either sentence. {ben} is a time stamp, but {DIS}
> is simply a noun. You have also placed {ngugh} in the same place adverbials
> are placed in canon, though I always want to put them before the {'e'}
> because in any other grammatical sentence, the adverbial goes before the
> direct object instead of after it. Anyway, I think your sentence might be
> clearer if it were rearranged and changed a little:
>
> Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu'. qaStaHvIS DISmey 'eq ngoDvam vISovbe'.
>
> Otherwise it sounds like others have been perfectly studying this language
> for too many years. Or there could be other approaches:
>
> ben 'eq Holvam luHaDchoH latlhpu' 'ej luHaDtaH 'ach wej vIHaDchoH. wej
> nuvpu'vam vIqIH.
>
> Holvam  vIghojnISchu' 'e' cha' ben vIwuvta'. mughojmoH latlhpu'vam 'e'
> vIchaw'choH. muQaHqu' Qov, latlh law' je. Qov lutmey vIlaDnISqa'.
>
> naDev chegh HoD Qanqor 'e' tullu'. Seqram bopbogh ngoD puS'e' vISov je.
> 'ach 'Iv ghaH ghIDo wa''e'
>
>
> net tul (as you later corrected, yourself)
>
> ghIDo wa' was one of the two translators of the Klingon Hamlet. He joined
> this list when he was 16. Everybody thought he was a professor of
> linguistics because he wrote like one. We gave him a scholarship so that he
> could go off and become a professor of linguistics. We haven't heard from
> him since.
>
> I may be misspelling the name. I remember that it violated my expectations
> for a well-formed Klingon word. May have been ghuyDo wa'. I tend to
> remember phonetically and then try to spell what I hear.
>
> ~'eD
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> maj.
>>
>> pIj mu'ghomwIjDaq mu'mey vISamnIS. mu'mey puS vIqawlaHchu'. mu'mey
>> vIlo'laHmeH laH tIn law', mu'mey vIqawmeH laH tIn puS.
>>
>> mu'mey qawchu' nuvpu' puS. qawchu'ta' Qov.  qawchu'taH ghIDo wa'. mej
>> Qov. chegh Qov. mej ghIDo wa'. cheghbe'.
>>
>> Subpu'na' qon tlhIngan Hol qun. mejpu'mo' 'op, 'IQlu'.
>>
>> choyajlaHmo' jIbel. yIqeqtaH!
>>
>> tlhIngan Hol jatlhpa' HoD Qanqor, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'be'. jatlhwI'
>> wa'DIch ghaH. jatlhwI' cha'DIch ghaH Seqram'e'. ja'chuqtaHvIS HoD Qanqor
>> Seqram je, jatlhchoH latlhpu' puS 'e' wIv latlhpu'vam.
>>
>> not tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHchu', 'ach QIt vIlaDlaH 'ej vIghItlhlaH.
>> qeqmeH poH yap vIHutlh. buy' ngopwIj. rut jIghItlhmeH poH vISam. rut
>> vIHutlh. ghaytanHa' jIcheghchu'.
>>
>
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