[Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments

[Robyn Stewart]

No, -chugh does not mean whether. That would imply that the approach of the enemy caused some disagreement. 

On 2013-09-06, at 14:27, "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Disagreement with fact borders on the Orwellian. But one could disagree about whether a purported fact is correct.
> 
> MO's appproval of {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} opens the door to the object of {Qoch} being the (dis)agreed upon statement. lughchu' mu' lo' 'e' maqchugh marq 'oqranD, vaj lugh lo'vam 'e' wIQochbe''a'?
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> I also expect to see frequent use of {-chuq} as in {Qochchuq tlhIH} or {maQochbe'chuq} for internal (dis)agreement in a group.
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> Could {-chugh} mean "whether" in {?nughoStaHchugh jagh wIQochchuq}? Could one interpret it as "If the enemy is approaching us, we disagree with one another"? But I think one would say {nughoStaHchugh jagh maQochchuq}. (No way to win battles, that, but common enough in war councils!)
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> ~'eD
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> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:38 AM, André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree.)
>> 
>> That means that {Qoch(be')} might at least be a labile verb, which can have an object, but doesn't have to (as common in Klingon). The object of {Qochbe'} here is {'e'}, so it seems logical that one can indeed agree or disagree with a fact or a statement or an idea. I don't see a reason why it shouldn't.
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>> 2013/9/6 David Trimboli <david at trimboli.name>
>>> On 9/6/2013 2:33 AM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:
>>>> Might {jIQoch(be')} be uncanonical usage?
>>> 
>>> lo'pu''a' Okrand?
>>> 
>>> tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom chutmey pabba' 'ach lo'pu' Okrand 'e' vISovbe'.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> It takes two (or more) to (dis)agree.  I can't imagine MO would have
>>>> had a problem with {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} as it translates neatly as
>>>> "We agree that we disagree."
>>> 
>>> I'm not convinced {Qoch} can even take an object. *{ngoDvetlh vIQoch} "I disagree with that fact"? Meh.
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