[Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments

[Bellerophon, modeler]

Disagreement with fact borders on the Orwellian. But one could disagree
about whether a purported fact is correct.

MO's appproval of {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} opens the door to the object of
{Qoch} being the (dis)agreed upon statement. lughchu' mu' lo' 'e' maqchugh
marq 'oqranD, vaj lugh lo'vam 'e' wIQochbe''a'?

I also expect to see frequent use of {-chuq} as in {Qochchuq tlhIH} or
{maQochbe'chuq} for internal (dis)agreement in a group.

Could {-chugh} mean "whether" in {?nughoStaHchugh jagh wIQochchuq}? Could
one interpret it as "If the enemy is approaching us, we disagree with one
another"? But I think one would say {nughoStaHchugh jagh maQochchuq}. (No
way to win battles, that, but common enough in war councils!)

~'eD


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:38 AM, André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com> wrote:

> As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is
> {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree.)
>
> That means that {Qoch(be')} might at least be a labile verb, which can
> have an object, but doesn't have to (as common in Klingon). The object of
> {Qochbe'} here is {'e'}, so it seems logical that one can indeed agree or
> disagree with a fact or a statement or an idea. I don't see a reason why it
> shouldn't.
>
>
> 2013/9/6 David Trimboli <david at trimboli.name>
>
>> On 9/6/2013 2:33 AM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:
>>
>>> Might {jIQoch(be')} be uncanonical usage?
>>>
>>
>> lo'pu''a' Okrand?
>>
>> tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom chutmey pabba' 'ach lo'pu' Okrand 'e' vISovbe'.
>>
>>
>>  It takes two (or more) to (dis)agree.  I can't imagine MO would have
>>> had a problem with {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} as it translates neatly as
>>> "We agree that we disagree."
>>>
>>
>> I'm not convinced {Qoch} can even take an object. *{ngoDvetlh vIQoch} "I
>> disagree with that fact"? Meh.
>>
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