[Tlhingan-hol] Tlhingan-hol Digest, Topics: tlhIng yoS

[Robyn Stewart]

At 19:59 '?????' 1/20/2013, BruceLiu wrote:
>First of all, thank the advices of Robyn Stewart.
>tlho'   (thank)

Not necessary, both because we're so delighted to have new people 
learning that we prefer to thank you, and because thanking just isn't 
very Klingon.

>I'm a novice of klingon, just knew a few words of klingon, but I 
>dare discuss with the experts,

And you did so well that I assumed your knowledge was beyond what 
you're now implying. The complex sentence you submitted was perfect. 
Did you find it somewhere else and just analyze it yourself?

>so I hope the tyros don't be afraid, just replying the emails and 
>saying something.

Yeah!  What he says. At least half the list traffic used to be 
beginners getting help.

>And I do not understand the V9--type-9 verb, could someone explain 
>it more specifically.

Type-9 verb suffixes are the hardest kind to understand, and they are 
all slightly different. The only thing they have in common is that 
they go on the end of the verb and change the function of the verb in 
the sentence.  If all you know of Klingon are a few words, they 
aren't the best place to start, but you  I'll give you some examples 
and you read the Verbs section in TKD. If this isn't useful now, 
perhaps it will be later.

We'll start with the simple sentence: Duj chIj HoD  - A captain 
navigates a ship

The easiest V9 is -'a', the interrogative. When I put -'a' on the 
verb of that sentence I get Duj chIj'a' HoD? (Does a captain navigate 
a ship?) -'a' changes a declarative sentence into a yes/no question.

Some V9s make the sentence into a subordinate clause:
Duj chIjDI' HoD - when a captain navigates a ship
Duj chIjchugh HoD - if a captain navigates a ship
Duj chIjmo' HoD - because a captain navigates a ship
Duj chIjbogh HoD - a captain who navigates a ship OR a ship that a 
captain navigates
Duj chIjmeH HoD - in order for a captain to navigate a ship

-jaj makes the sentence into a wish that something happen
Duj chIjjaj HoD - Oh that a captain would navigate a ship, here's to 
a captain navigating the ship

If the verb has another suffix on it, then the V9 -ghach can make the 
whole action into a noun:
chIjqa' - navigates again, resumes navigating
chIjqa'ghach - resumption of navigation

I might have missed one. I'm just doing this off the top of my head, 
while watching a movie on TV. I gave you these because I always 
answer questions, but as I said before they might not be the best 
place to start.

Try translating these into English:
DIng Duj
qoq HIv negh
vI'uchlaH
'et begh yIHuj

And these into Klingon
I see them.
The starboard (right) engine failed.
I can't see the exhaust vent.
The beam destroyed the robot.

Apologies if these are way too hard.  You seemed to be up for a 
challenge. For bonus points tell me which movie I'm watching the end 
credits of now.

>HuD beQ yoS (Flat Mountain district) (From KGT)
>HuD (n. mountain,hill)
>beQ (v. be flat)
>yoS  (n. district area)
>
>To my knowledge, these three words are not suffixes or prefixes, so 
>these words do not end or begin with '~'.

Right. And it was just a straight hyphen (-) I was suggesting, as 
Marc Okrand uses in his books.

- Qov