[Tlhingan-hol] Sunlight and Starlight

[Robyn Stewart]

<'e' munargh> vIparbej. 

There's a 1st person object prefix with a 3rd person object and a directly translated English idiom when there's a far better Klingon tool. 

DaHjaj ram peDlaw' maSwov. 

On 2013-08-18, at 22:49, "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting thought, Seruq. The face of a moon could be anywhere from 0% to 100% lit. A completely dark moon is never above the horizon at night, so that's not an issue. But a crescent Praxis casts a negligible amount of moonlight on Qo'noS. It comes back to what Klingons mean by "maSwov," or for that matter what English speakers mean by "moonlight."
> 
> What conditions prevail when we speak of moonlight in English? We refer to any light from the moon as moonlight, even if it's insufficient to illuminate our environs, but the term "moonlight" makes us picture enough light coming from the moon to provide illumination. Certainly when the moon is full, the earth's night side is bathed in moonlight. Our use of the term "moonlight" has subtleties from astronomy, poetry, etc., that could never be conveyed to a Klingon simply by telling him it means "maSwov."
> 
> So what does "maSwov" mean to a Klingon? How does he speak of it? He probably doesn't say anything like "puH Say'moHtaH maSwov," but in a poetic mood he might say something equally strange to us, like "yavDaq peD maSwov 'e' munargh ramvam." And we might well use "maSwov" in accordance with canon, yet have Maltz tell us that no Klingon would phrase it that way.
> 
> "tIHmey" aren't only beams or rays of light, of course, though that doesn't mean that jul tIH and Hov tIH (or perhaps jultIH and HovtIH) might not be used to mean sunlight and starlight, even if not collimated. But if I ever meet a Klingon hippy chick, I bet her name will be maStIH.
> 
> ~'eD
> 
> Qo'noS bavlaw' cha' maS. maS wa'DIch pong 'oH pIraqSIS'e' 'ej maS cha'DIch pong 'oHlaw' qorvIqIS'e'. ("Corvix"=qorvIqIS?)
> 
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> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Seruq <seruq at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Through its phases a moon can be bright or dark.  The only time we get moon light is when the moon
>> appears bright.  maSwov could come from "bright moon".  But since the sun and stars are always
>> bright, contructions like julwov and Hovwov could be considered odd, like "duh, of course they're
>> bright."
>> 
>> What is the canon for tIH?
>> 
>> 
>> - DloraH
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