[Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' 2 - yIlop; chaq wa'leS maHegh!

[Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh]

jIjatlhpu':
> Moar.

jang Qov, jatlh:
> jIlop!

jIbel!

jIH:
> Warnings will come as appropriate.

Qov:
> nuvpu'vam 'IH DaDeltaHmo', nga'chuqwI'pu'mo' jughuHrupmoH 'e' vItul.
> (nga'chuqpa' ghun vIpoQbe' jIH; lut nong vItIv neH). Sepvam tIghmey
> vISovbe'chu'mo', qaSlaH ... Hoch!

Hu'tegh, bIboHbej, qar'a'? :P 'ach nongchoHbej lut, vaj DuQuchmoHjaj!

jIH:
> 2. yIlop; wa'leS chaq maHegh!

Qov:
> permeylIj vItIvbejtaH.

ru' bIH. permey vItu'meH TKW vItlhIl. Hut permey nIv vIghaj. 'ach tugh
yapbe'choH TKW 'e' vIHar... vaj chaq 'op vIchoH. wej jISov.

jIH:
> joH puqbe' che'choHmoHlu'

Qov:
> wot cho' Daqelpu''a'?

HIja'... Hard to explain why I went for che'choH. I thought cho' had
more of a focus on the event of the transition from old ruler to new,
where che'choH feels more like focusing on just the new ruler. Maybe
I'm overthinking it. (I do that a lot. Can you tell?)

jIH:
> net maqDI', joH mangghom la' belqu'moHlu'.

Qov:
> Consider rearranging this so that <la' belqu'moH qech/wanI'> or
> <joH cho'rupchoHmo' puqbe' belqu'>. belqu'moHmo' indefinite subject,
> loQ jum, belqu'moHwI' wISovbejmo'.

'e' vIlajqangbej. I was vacillating on whether to use la' belqu'moH
wanI' De', thinking it'd seem like fishing for a placeholding noun
that wasn't quite necessary.

jIH:
> la' ghaH 'avtanDIl'e';

Qov:
> It's the opposite way as I would write it when la' is a known
> quantity and avtanDIl is the new information.

I argued this with Quvar a while ago on Facebook. Neither of us was
able to convince the other. :)

Let's put it this way: I think both are possible so I'm glad to
change it if you prefer. But with the questions of the form {X nuq}
from CK (i.e. Dochvam nuq "what is this thing?", Daqvam nuq "what is
this place?"), since 'Iv and nuq appear where the answer is expected
to go (TKD p.69), I believe the answer would normally appear with
the word order Dochvam 'oH "it is this thing" or Daqvam 'oH "it is
this place". That means the new data slots in after the pronoun-as-
verb: Dochvam 'oH betleH'e' "this thing is a bat'leth", Daqvam 'oH
vaS'a''e' "this place is the Great Hall".

Added to that is the Morskan dialect question from ST6: Dujvetlh
'oH nuq "what ship is that?". Again, since nuq appears where the
answer is expected, then the new information, the answer, should be
final: Dujvetlh 'oH 'entepray'('e') "that ship is the Enterprise".

jIH:
> mangghom ra'wI''a' puqloD ghaH,

Qov:
> nepotism much this kingdom? :-)

bIlughchu'! But then, isn't that what feudalism's all about? :)

jIH:
> 'ach 'IHqu' je ghaH'e';

Qov:
> mumerDI' ta' puqbe' parmaqqay qelbe'bogh lut'e', jItuvHa'law' neH.

Hee, teHbej. There'll be plenty of that later on (warnings will be
forthcoming not just for violence and death, but for excessive mush
as well). But don't write off your initial assessment of tIna'tIn
just yet.

jIH:
> «woch; Sor rur»[6] jatlh 'op, «'IH; maS jul je rur»[7] jatlh 'op,
> «pup; qut rur» jatlh 'op.

Qov:
> toH. nuvpu' 'IH ghajbej wo'vam. qun neH qel 'ay'meyvam 'e' vIpIHchoH.
> chaq nuvpu'vam puqloD ghaH mIl'oD veDDIr loD.

nuvpu' potlh lucherlu'lI' neH... tlhoy bIloSnISbe'. :) yItuv'eghmoH!

jIH:
> ghaH luHoHlaw'lI' tIna'tIn 'IH mInDu'Daj 'IH je.

Qov:
> tIna'tIn 'IH, mInDu'Daj 'IH je chev mevwI' Degh 'e' vImaS.

maj. chevwI' Degh, mevwI' Degh, yevwI' Degh je vISeHchu'be' 'ej loQ
vIwaH. vay' choHlu' DaneHchugh, reH HIja'!

jIH:
> tIqDajDaq parmaqDaj So'taH 'avtanDIl.

Qov:
> qatlh? parmaqvetlh tuch'a' vav? nuch ghaH'a'?

joH'a'Daj puqbe' ghaH tIna'tIn'e', vaj joH juH'a' Dab. pIjHa' neH ghaH
leghlaHmo' 'avtanDIl, tIna'tInvaD parmaq SIQtaHbogh maqlaHbe'chu' 'e'
vIHar. 'ach Sep joH toy'chu' 'avtanDIl, vaj joH mojDI' tIna'tIn, pay'
ghaH'e' SuchchoHlaH 'avtanDIl 'ej jatlhmeH meqmey ghajchoH.

> rurchuq Hoch loDpu'.

Hoch maH ghopumQo'. :P

(poD vay')


jIH:
> cheghqa'DI' 'ej tIna'tIn leghqa'DI', tIqDaj lumeQqa'moHlu' 'ej
> lu'aw'qa'lu'[8].

Qov:
> That one caught me out two when I described three hearts beating in
> an embrace. There's more, and more recent canon supporting one
> Klingon heart.

jang je Voragh, jatlh:
> Time Lords may have two hearts, but Klingons have only one, eight-
> chambered heart (cf. TNG "Ethics").

qatlho', Voragh. lI'qa'bej qawHaq'a'lIj! (Good thing, too - I could
see that at some stage I'd slip with heart numbers and having to deal
with just one is much simpler.)

jIH:
> vupmoH parmaq;

Qov:
> vupmoH'a'?

The original is "Love is pitiable". vupmoH parmaq was supposed to be
"love causes (unspecified object) to be pitied". qaq'a' {vay' vupmoH
parmaq}?

jIH:
(poD vay')
> joH mojmoH 'e' maqDI' tIna'tIn vav, QuchchoH 'ej tulchoH 'avtanDIl;
> joH puqbe' So'lu'pu'mo' moghpu'.

Qov:
> joH puqbe' So'lu'pu''a'? So' 'Iv?

vay'. :P joH juH'a' Dab; chuQun ghaHmo' pIjHa' juH'a' mejnIS. chIch
tIna'tIn So'lu'be'; motlh juH'a' qoDDaq ratlhmo' qaS neH.

jIH:
> DaH jatlh'egh: «naghboch rurchu'bogh qabDaj'e' DaH reH vIleghlaH;
> chaq vaj qabwIj vIDoqqa'moHlaH 'ej tIqwIj vIvorlaH.»

Qov:
> DoqHa'choHpu''a' qabDaj?

A leftover from a metaphor that was pretty strained when rendered
into the Klingon. The Georgian says that when Avtandil couldn't see
Tinatin, "his rose faded" - i.e. the "roses" of his cheeks. I got rid
of the first bit, as it seemed a bit off, but forgot to deal with
this as well.

jIH:
> wa''uy' nuv mangghom Dev 'avtanDIl,

Qov:
> law'qu'!

law'bej! 'ach vIpuSmoHta'; DIvI' Hol bomDaq "ten thousand times a
thousand" 'oH. (Georgia Hol bom vImughDI', "many thousands" neH
ja'lu'. Dojqu'moH 'e' nIDlaw' DIvI' mughwI'...)

jIH:
> jul rurtaHvIS qabDaj; chuQun ghomDaq SaH je joH toy'wI' nIvqu',
> Soghrat, 'ej joHDaq Sum je ghaH.

Qov:
> bong parmaq SovchoHchugh Soghrat 'ej tIna'tInvaD ja'chugh, Mills
> & Boone DamughlI'.

ghe''orvo' narghDI' qa'pu'! :P

(poD vay')

jIH:
> chuQun tlheghmey

Qov:
> QamtaHbogh nuvpu' DelmeH <tlheghmey> vIpar.

teH'a'? mu' {tlhegh} wIlo'Qo'chugh, "ranks" "files" "queues" joq
DIponglaHbe'chu'. pup 'oH 'e' vIHar. 'ach naDev 'utbe' {tlheghmey},
vaj vIqIlqang.

jIH:
> veghtaHvIS tIna'tIn vavDaj je, wovqu' 'ej 'IH tIna'tIn qab.
> quS'a'Daq puqbe'Daj ba'choHmoH joH. ghopDu'Daj'e' lo'taHvIS,
> tIna'tIn nachDaq joH mIv'a' lan, tIna'tIn ghopDaq joH ghanjaq lan,
> tIna'tIn volchaHDaq joH ngup lan.

Qov:
> tay DaDelchu'.

maj. ({ngup} vIlo'laHpu'mo' jIbel. 'ej vIchelbe'pu' jIH; /samoseli/
"garments, clothing" lo'pu' Georgia Hol chovnatlh, vaj mughmeH pup
{ngup} 'e' vItu'.)

QeS