[Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Colors

[Felix Malmenbeck]

> I would only want that to happen if Okrand was in charge of the shades
> presented.
> The CD-ROM version has a different image file than the Download version.
> And they are free to change the file in the future as well.

Good point.

> And WRT skin tone; Orions aren't all the same shade.
Not the same exact shade, however, but they're clearly more green than blue. I imagine Doq/SuD 'ej X rur constructions refer to a range of colors, depending on how wide the variety is in reality and what cultural connotations exist.

Consider the fact that the Andorian Commander Shran refers to humans as "pink-skins", in spite of the fact that there are non-whites serving on Enterprise, and in spite of the fact that even the whites have slightly varying shades.
Speaking of Andorians: There is a white subspecies of Andorians, but if I were to tell you that something were Andorian-colored, you'd probably envision something a fairly light shade of blue.

[Where I grew up, we used the word "människofärgad" ("human-colored") to refer to pink:ish beige, and I believe this word was fairly widespread (although slightly less used than "hudfärgad" ("skin-colored"). Judging by the low number of hits these words get on Google, I'm guessing the younger generation uses these words a lot less.]

> And I'm curious how you came up with *qo'larngan.
> Did you bring it up in the recent discussion on Orions?

I'm afraid I missed that discussion :/

Been watching Star Trek: Enterprise, recently, and it struck me that since the Orions occupy an area of space between Earth and the Klingon Empire [actually, it seems I may have been slightly off with this, but that's the theory I was working with, anyway], and because they appear to have been an established power at the time of first contact between Klingons and Humans, the Klingon word for "Orion" is more likely to be based on the Orions' name for themselves, rather than any Terran word (unlike, for example, romuluSngan, which is explicitly stated in KGT to be based on the Federation Standard word, rather than the native one (which I think is likely a nod at Rihannsu)).
Looked around to see what Orions call themselves, and it seems that in much of fandom they're known as Kolari; appears it goes back to an RPG supplement from 2003 ( http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Roleplaying-Game-Aliens/dp/1582369070 ) and probably spread thanks to Memory Beta and the like. By no means definitive, but I personally like it a lot more than Orion.
[It is of course possible that Orion is in fact the Orion name for Orion. It's been speculated that there are at least two Rigel systems in Star Trek: One so called because it's what humans decided to call it (coincidentally, this one is in the constellation Orion), and one because it's what the inhabitants chose to call it.]