[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: van bom
Steven Boozer
sboozer at uchicago.edu
Wed Mar 23 08:46:48 PDT 2016
mayql qunenoS wrote:
> ben, Sepmaj van bom wIqonmeH nuQaH muchwI' 'e' wItlhob.
> years ago, we requested that a musician helps us in order
> to compose our national anthem.
AFAIK {ben} "years ago" isn't used without a number or quantity noun preceding it:
cha'vatlh ben HIq vItlhutlh
I will drink Two Century Old Ale. PK
vagh SanID ben buDbe' wamwI'pu'.
5,000 years ago, hunters were not lazy. (st.k 11/99)
nen rav: chorgh ben
AGES 8 to Adult (Monopoly)
["maturation minimum (lit. "floor"): eight years old"]
'op ben pa' Dab ngan 'ej chep
[translation not available] (PB)
Okrand has discussed {ben}:
(st.k 12/12/96): The word {ben} can be used to mean "years old", but in Klingon, one doesn't say "I am X years old". The phrase {loSmaH ben jIH}, if anything, would mean "40-year-old me" or the like. It would parallel {cha'vatlh ben HIq} "Two Century Old Wine". "I am 40 years old" would be expressed as: {loSmaH ben jIboghpu'}. This is "I was born 40 years ago". As is normal in Klingon sentences, the time element (in this case, {loSmaH ben} "40 years ago") comes first.
(HQ 8.3:3): With longer time periods, such as a century ({vatlh DIS poH}), millennium ({SaD DIS poH}), or a period of 10,000 years (myriad, perhaps) ({netlh DIS poH}), the words {ret} ["period of time ago"] or {pIq} ["period of time from now"] may be used in place of {poH}, e.g., {cha' vatlh DIS poH} "two centuries", but {cha' vatlh DIS ret} "two centuries ago". The phrase {cha' vatlh ben} would mean "200 years ago". The choice of construction depends on what is being emphasized: in this case, the total number of centuries (two) or the total number of years (200).
A better option is to follow the PB example: {'op ben} "some years ago" using the noun {'op} "some, an unknown or unspecified quantity". Okrand has also used {'opleS} "one day [in the future]" (written as one word) in the paq'batlh:
qeylIS loDnI' 'opleS chovan
One day, brother Kahless, you will bow before me (PB 58f.)
qeylIS loDnI' | 'opleS bIHaghbe' | 'opleS 'opleS 'opleS
[translation not available] PB
*{leS} "days from now" seems to be a bound morpheme in compound nouns - e.g. {wa'leS} tomorrow, {cha'leS} day after tomorrow - and not a separate word.
All that being said, I have seen *{ben law'} "many years ago, long ago" and *{ben law'qu'} "long, long ago, once upon a time" used on this List when talking about legends and myths - but never by Okrand. Even here the feeling was that {ben} still needed to be modified somehow.
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Voragh
tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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