[Tlhingan-hol] Between us curses run like water

[mayql qunenoS]

Thank you voragh and qurgh for taking the time to reply.

..since we do not have a qanon answer as far as the meaning of this
vIttlhegh is concerned, we can only speculate. I think it is
reasonable to believe that since it is said during a holiday it is
said for good. So, if I was to take a guess I think it could mean
either

a. any curses that have been said, are undone ; something similar to
"water under the bridge"
b. since the ability to curse well, is considered a positive klingon
attribute, perhaps this phrase actually praises the personalities of
both holiday participants, describing their capability of cursing
well, effectively, constantly etc.

mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
eat everything or you will die without honor !



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:18 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>> qunnoq:
>> > Could someone please tell me, what this proverb actually means ? I think
>> > it belongs in the holiday proverbs, however I can't understand its
>> > meaning.
>>
>> It's one of the traditional toasts for Empire Union Day.  The five listed
>> in "Power Klingon"  are:
>>
>> Between us, curses run like water.
>> matay'DI' vIHtaHbogh bIQ rur mu'qaDmey.
>>
>> May the Klingon Empire continue forever!
>> reH tlhIngan wo' taHjaj!
>>
>> May the spirit of Kahless live within you!
>> SoHDaq qeylIS qa' yInjaj.
>>
>> May you encounter Kahless in your dreams!
>> bInajtaHvIS qeylIS Daghomjaj.
>>
>> Death before shame.
>> bItuHpa' bIHeghjaj.
>>
>> > Does this mean that the curses we said to each other have been undone,
>> > and
>> > we are now friends, or that because we are friends we constantly curse
>> > each other ? Or does it mean something else ?[
>>
>> I don't think the meaning was explained in the recording.  Possibly it is
>> one of Kahless the Unforgettable sayings. (Does anyone remember?)
>>
>
> It doesn't say. That section, from Power Klingon, follows (via Klingonska's
> transcription):
>
> MD: Proverbs are not the only socially useful sayings. There are also
> special
> phrases, traditionally used on holidays. We will focus on two of the best
> known holidays. One, which comes every tenth Klingon month, is {QI'lop}.
> {QI'lop} celebrates the superiority of the Klingon military. Like most
> Klingon holidays {QI'lop} is celebrated with much eating and drinking,
> but it is also marked by a very peculiar custom. A guest brings a large
> dish of stuffed {to'baj} legs to a host's house and in return is allowed to
> take any non-sacred item in the house. The actual origin of this custom is
> obscure. Here are a few of the holiday phrases:
>
> HM: <Accept these stuffed {to'baj} legs.>
> MO: {to'baj 'uS lughoDlu'bogh tIlaj.}
>    {to'baj 'uS lughoDlu'bogh tIlaj.}
>    {...}
>
> HM: <I will take *that* to my home.>
> MO: {juHwIjDaq Dochvetlh vItlhap.}
>    {juHwIjDaq Dochvetlh vItlhap.}
>    {...}
>
> HM: <You have some stuffed {to'baj} leg in your teeth.>
> MO: {Ho'Du'lIjDaq to'baj 'uSHom lughoDlu'bogh tu'lu'.}
>    {Ho'Du'lIjDaq to'baj 'uSHom lughoDlu'bogh tu'lu'.}
>    {...}
>
> HM: <Eat everything or you will die without honor.>
> MO: {Hoch DaSopbe'chugh, batlh bIHeghbe'.}
>    {Hoch DaSopbe'chugh, batlh bIHeghbe'.}
>    {...}
>
> MO: Of course, that last expression is not meant literally. It's roughly
> like
> saying: "Eat! Eat!" Here are some others:
>
> HM: <I will remember this dinner forever.>
> MO: {reH 'uQvam vIqawtaH.}
>    {reH 'uQvam vIqawtaH.}
>    {...}
>
> HM: <Between us, curses run like water.>
> MO: {matay'DI', vIHtaHbogh bIQ rur mu'qaDmey.}
>    {matay'DI', vIHtaHbogh bIQ rur mu'qaDmey.}
>    {...}
>
> MD: Practice these expressions, and during the next {QI'lop} holiday, use
> them. You might also want to practice eating some stuffed {to'baj} legs.
>
> qurgh
>
>
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