[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}

[lojmIt tI'wI' nuv]

As a former student glider pilot, I object to the suggestion that an aircraft lacking fuel is necessarily dangerous. Gliders are aircraft, they are specifically designed to lack fuel, and they are not particularly dangerous. I personally feel much more secure landing a glider than a powered aircraft, since spoilers and slipping give at least as much control over glide slope as a throttle during a normal landing, and visibility is better without an engine and an excessive dashboard in the way. 

Give me an air speed indicator, an altimeter, and a yaw string, with good visibility and I'm happy to land with no fuel. And if I crash, at least there won't be a fire. 

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lojmIt tI'wI' nuv

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:33 PM, <qov at kli.org> <qov at kli.org> wrote:
> 
> So I do have something else to do, but I'm sad that there are no more
> example sentences, so I'm going to write some more.
> 
> HIch bach mang. = The soldier shoots the pistol. (Yeah, the official gloss
> is "handgun" but I looked up both handgun and pistol in the Canadian Oxford
> and the definitions are too close to identical to whine about). 
> Duy' HIch bachbogh mang. = The pistol the soldier shoots is defective. It
> could be interpreted that it was the soldier who was defective, but unless
> it's a robosoldier, 'defective' isn't a word that would normally be used for
> a soldier. After reading the word Duy', I'm primed to look for a physical
> object to be the subject of the sentence, so I latch onto HIch and read it
> correctly without the help of -'e'.
> tlhIv HIch bachbogh mang. = The soldier who shoots the pistol is
> insubordinate. Again, unless we're dealing with advanced AI, there's only
> one side of the -bogh clause that can be the subject of the verb, so reading
> it I disregard HIch as a possible subject and keep reading to mang.
> lo'laHbe' HIch bachbogh mang'e'. => No translation given here or below, so
> you have a chance to read such sentences for yourself and decide what they
> mean. It's not clear from your question whether your issue is with how to
> correctly place -'e', how to interpret it, or why you'd want the darn thing
> in the first place.
> lo'laHbe' HIch'e' bachbogh mang.  => Either a soldier or a handgun can be
> useless, so the -'e' is useful here to indicate which is the useless item in
> each sentence. It's still not required.  qunnoq HoD could watch a soldier
> fire a handgun and proclaim "lo'laHbe'!" without telling his audience
> whether it was the personnel or equipment of which he disapproved. 
> 
> And here's a bonus sixth sentence to show the power of not using -'e'.
> 
> chalDaq Qob nIn Hutlhbogh muD Duj.
> 
> It says two things at once, both true. It's also okay if the reader takes
> just one meaning and moves on. 
> 
> Personally, I only use -'e' in relative clauses if I think that without it,
> an intelligent reader will take a meaning I didn't intend, or if the
> sentence is sufficiently complex that -'e' will help the reader know when
> the relative clause ends. 
> 
> - Qov
> 
>> mu'tlhegh qon be'. = The woman wrote a sentence.
>> mu'tlhegh qonbogh be' vIlaD. = I read the sentence the woman  wrote.  (I
>> could use -'e' here, but it's obvious that you don't read a woman, so why
>> bother).
>> mu'tlhegh qonbogh be' vIparHa'. = I like the sentence the woman wrote. OR
> I
>> like the woman who wrote the sentence.
>> mu'tlhegh'e' qonbogh be' vIparHa'. = I like the sentence the woman wrote.
>> OR It's the sentence the woman wrote that I like.
>> mu'tlhegh qonbogh be''e' vIparHa'. = I like the woman who wrote the
>> sentence. OR It's the woman who wrote the sentence that I like.
>> 
>> There's my five. I hope your plan works and once you get a good collection
> of
>> examples, it falls into place.
>> 
>> - Qov
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mayql qunenoS [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: January 17, 2016 2:32
>>> To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
>>> Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}
>>> 
>>> qavan 'arHa'
>>> 
>>> this may be an unusual request for the KLBC, however I will ask,
>>> because I can't seem to understand the use of {-'e'} when the {-bogh}
>>> comes into
>> play..
>>> 
>>> could you write 5 sentences of your own, where there is {-bogh}, and
>>> the
>> {-
>>> 'e'} used to distinguish where the {-bogh} refers ?
>>> 
>>> I'm asking that you write 5 sentences of your own, because I have
>>> already studied the TKD sentences and I didn't understand. Also, I'm
>>> not trying to write my own sentences, because I have no jay' idea how
>>> the ghe'tor I'm supposed to use {-bogh} and {-'e'} together.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> cpt qunnoq
>>> 
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