[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}

[qov at kli.org]

So I do have something else to do, but I'm sad that there are no more
example sentences, so I'm going to write some more.

HIch bach mang. = The soldier shoots the pistol. (Yeah, the official gloss
is "handgun" but I looked up both handgun and pistol in the Canadian Oxford
and the definitions are too close to identical to whine about). 
Duy' HIch bachbogh mang. = The pistol the soldier shoots is defective. It
could be interpreted that it was the soldier who was defective, but unless
it's a robosoldier, 'defective' isn't a word that would normally be used for
a soldier. After reading the word Duy', I'm primed to look for a physical
object to be the subject of the sentence, so I latch onto HIch and read it
correctly without the help of -'e'.
tlhIv HIch bachbogh mang. = The soldier who shoots the pistol is
insubordinate. Again, unless we're dealing with advanced AI, there's only
one side of the -bogh clause that can be the subject of the verb, so reading
it I disregard HIch as a possible subject and keep reading to mang.
lo'laHbe' HIch bachbogh mang'e'. => No translation given here or below, so
you have a chance to read such sentences for yourself and decide what they
mean. It's not clear from your question whether your issue is with how to
correctly place -'e', how to interpret it, or why you'd want the darn thing
in the first place.
lo'laHbe' HIch'e' bachbogh mang.  => Either a soldier or a handgun can be
useless, so the -'e' is useful here to indicate which is the useless item in
each sentence. It's still not required.  qunnoq HoD could watch a soldier
fire a handgun and proclaim "lo'laHbe'!" without telling his audience
whether it was the personnel or equipment of which he disapproved. 

And here's a bonus sixth sentence to show the power of not using -'e'.

chalDaq Qob nIn Hutlhbogh muD Duj.

It says two things at once, both true. It's also okay if the reader takes
just one meaning and moves on. 

Personally, I only use -'e' in relative clauses if I think that without it,
an intelligent reader will take a meaning I didn't intend, or if the
sentence is sufficiently complex that -'e' will help the reader know when
the relative clause ends. 

- Qov

> mu'tlhegh qon be'. = The woman wrote a sentence.
> mu'tlhegh qonbogh be' vIlaD. = I read the sentence the woman  wrote.  (I
> could use -'e' here, but it's obvious that you don't read a woman, so why
> bother).
> mu'tlhegh qonbogh be' vIparHa'. = I like the sentence the woman wrote. OR
I
> like the woman who wrote the sentence.
> mu'tlhegh'e' qonbogh be' vIparHa'. = I like the sentence the woman wrote.
> OR It's the sentence the woman wrote that I like.
> mu'tlhegh qonbogh be''e' vIparHa'. = I like the woman who wrote the
> sentence. OR It's the woman who wrote the sentence that I like.
> 
> There's my five. I hope your plan works and once you get a good collection
of
> examples, it falls into place.
> 
> - Qov
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mayql qunenoS [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
> > Sent: January 17, 2016 2:32
> > To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> > Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}
> >
> > qavan 'arHa'
> >
> > this may be an unusual request for the KLBC, however I will ask,
> > because I can't seem to understand the use of {-'e'} when the {-bogh}
> > comes into
> play..
> >
> > could you write 5 sentences of your own, where there is {-bogh}, and
> > the
> {-
> > 'e'} used to distinguish where the {-bogh} refers ?
> >
> > I'm asking that you write 5 sentences of your own, because I have
> > already studied the TKD sentences and I didn't understand. Also, I'm
> > not trying to write my own sentences, because I have no jay' idea how
> > the ghe'tor I'm supposed to use {-bogh} and {-'e'} together.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > cpt qunnoq
> >
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