[Tlhingan-hol] vulqa'nganpu'

[lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh]

I quite honestly would interpret {qama’ ghaH. luHoHpu’ ‘ach ‘e’ vISovbe’} to mean “They killed her, but I didn’t know she was a prisoner.”

I would also interpret {qama’ ghaH, ‘ach luHoHpu’ ‘e’ vISovbe’} to mean “I didn’t know that [she was a prisoner but they killed her].”

You can come up with reasons why you think it should be interpreted otherwise, but I doubt you’ve got a strong argument about why my interpretations are necessarily wrong. I’m simply using the rules of grammar as explained in TKD, and lacking any subsequent, clear information that suggests otherwise.

lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably



> On Jan 1, 2016, at 6:37 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> SuStel:
>> mayqel is not trying to refer to the first sentence of a sentence-as-object
>> with both a conjunction and {'e'}. He's trying to do this:
>> 
>>   <simple sentence> 'ach <       sentence-as-object       >
>>   <simple sentence> <antecedent sentence> 'ach 'e' <verb>
>> 
>> where 'e' refers to <simple sentence>, not <antecedent sentence>.
>> 
>> I think this is perhaps too convoluted to read easily, but I'm not sure it's
>> wrong.
> 
> I know it wasn't what he was trying to do, but (unlike lojmIt tI'wI'
> nuv, and like QeS) I think that referring to the first sentence with
> both a conjunction and {'e'} is legal.
> 
> I think at least part of the confusion over the sentence stems from
> the fact that it's ambiguous.
> 
> Consider:
> {qama' ghaH. luHoHpu' 'ach 'e' vISovbe'.}
> 
> Does this mean?
> "She was a prisoner. They killed her, but I didn't know (that they killed her)."
> "They killed her. But I didn't know that she was a prisoner."
> 
> As you suggested, I would've moved the {'ach} up front:
> {qama' ghaH, 'ach luHoHpu' 'e' vISovbe'.}
> "She was a prisoner, but I didn't know that they killed her."
> 
> -- 
> De'vID
> 
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