[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: chaw'

[mayql qunenoS]

Qov :

> Also, just stick with *Jedi*.

..sorry about this, but I won't. As I have demonstrated time and
again, I'm more than willing to accept anyone's input as far as
everything that I need to correct is concerned. 'a I will not deface a
klingon sentence by intermixing english words. As I have written
before, it's an atrocity toward a work of art, a sight of which is (at
least to me) a klingon sentence.

I accept SuStel's point, that by transliterating WHILE NOT providing
the direct english word net could confuse people, a reason for which I
always write the english word too ; but beyond that, I'm unable to
f*** up a klingon sentence, by the mere sight of an english word :)

Qov :

> Are you really saying that the main clause
> is in order to accomplish the -meH clause?
> There's a difference between {-meH}, establishing the purpose of the
> following clause, and {'e'}, acting as the direct object of the following
> clause.

this may sound strange, but grammar was never my strong suit ; so, I
have absolutely no idea whatsoever what a clause is.

jIH :

> DaH woghtaHghachmeyvam DIchaw'chugh, SIbI'Ha' nuq
>latlhmey HIvtaHghachmey wIlajnIS je ?

Qov :

> naDev muj moHaq cha'DIch.

o' the carelessness.. of course it is ! I just saw it..

Qov :

> Have you met the pronoun {net} yet?

actually I have, but as I understood it until now, it was always to be
translated as "one does whatever" ; so, since until now I didn't come
across the need to say "one does.." I never used it.

Qov :

> bIba' net chaw'. = You are permitted to sit.  (We say this instead of
> *{bIba' 'e' chaw'lu'}. {'e' Xlu'} becomes {net X}.)

for this reason in your example, until now I thought that this could
ONLY mean <one allows that you sit>. the <you are permitted to sit> is
just an alternative translation, or is it always imperative that the
correct translation is <you are permitted to sit> ?

Qov : :

> {bIba' 'e' chaw'lu'}

so this is wrong ?

qunnoq
DaH DIHIvbe'chugh..

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:29 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> voragh:
>>> Some years ago [I don't have the exact date] Seqram once usefully
>>> observed that:
>>>
>>>     as soon as you catch yourself saying... {'e' Xlu'}, immediately
>>>     start to think seriously about substituting {net X}.
>
> SuStel:
>> Except if you're reciting a proverb with it, because proverbs get special
>> dispensation. {yay chavlu' 'e' bajnISlu'} "victory must be earned" (TKW 126)
>> apparently breaks the rule without explanation.
>
> It's not just proverbs. Klingon Monopoly has two instances of this:
> {DIvI' rojmab qep ghanglu' 'e' nIDlu', 'ach taH qep.} "Despite efforts to
> halt them, peace talks with the Federation continue."
> {Qang QanmeH yan 'ISletlh Damuv 'e' wIvlu'.} "You are chosen to serve on the
> Yan-Isleth and protect the Chancellor."
>
> SuStel:
>> (Go ahead, list, tell me how I'm interpreting the rules for {net} wrong,
>> and the proverb is perfectly grammatical. I dare you.)
>
> If there are circumstances under which {'e' Xlu'} shouldn't be replaced with
> {net X}, that hasn't been made apparent in TKD or any canon.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
>
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