[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Ha'on

[mayql qunenoS]

Thank you voragh and SuStel for sharing all these canon examples !

> If you find my article posted anywhere else, let me know
> and I'll add the URLs to my notes for the next time someone
> asks.  Thanks.

ok, I'll look into it tomorrow and tell you what I found.

qunnoq

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:32 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 2/4/2016 9:18 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
>>
>> qunnoq
>>>
>>> Ca'non master :
>>>>
>>>> adverbials, time stamps and place stamps should go at the
>>>> beginning of their clause, which is not necessarily the beginning
>>>> of the sentence.
>>
>>
>> E.g.
>>
>> jIlay'DI' reH batlh jIpabchugh Qapla'meywIj Hoch vIta'ta' 'e'
>> DaHar'a'
>> Did you think that my word of honor would have carried me this far?
>> (PB)
>>
>>>> (There are one or two subtle variations, but you shouldn't
>>>> confuse yourself with those now.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Now I'm curious. Could you at least share an example of these
>>> variations?
>>
>>
>> Compare these:
>>
>> DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH DuraS
>> be'nI'pu' lurSa' be'etor je.
>> The sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor, are constantly
>> seeking a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon
>> High Council. (S26)
>>
>> SuvwI' DameH puqloDwI' vIghojHa'moH DaH 'e' vItlhoj
>> I see now, I have failed to raise my son a man  (PB)
>
>
> There is also the singular case of
>
>    reH DIvI' Duj vISuv vIneH
>    I've always wanted to fight a Federation ship (ST5)
>
> If a {neH} sentence-as-object used {'e'} and {net} like most others, this
> would be said as *{DIvI' Duj vISuv reH 'e' vIneH}. Why does the {reH} move?
> One speculative idea is that {neH}-based SAOs actually take the previous
> sentence as its object without a pronomial stand-in: {reH [DIvI' Duj vISuv]
> vIneH}.
>
> And then we get exceptions like
>
>    'e' neHbe' vavoy
>    that wasn't what my father wanted (ST6)
>
> wherein we get a violation of the rule not to use {'e'} with {neH}, but that
> might be because Azetbur was referencing a sentence someone else had said,
> and so needed SOMETHING as the object.
>
> We don't really know much about using {neH} with SAO beyond the basic form.
>
> --
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>
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