[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: lIng

[mayql qunenoS]

jIH :

> Qagh 'oH wa'Hu' 'enterpray''e' 'e' vIHarlaw' *guinan* 'a tobmeH De' 'ut
> lIngbe'
> guinan seemingly believed that yesterday's enterprise was a mistake,
> however in order to prove it, she didn't produce the necessary data.

Qov :

> muj moHaq. yIlughmoH.

I'm really frustrated at myself for making again and again
stupid,senseless mistakes.. Here is the correct sentence..

Qagh 'oH wa'Hu' 'enterpray''e' 'e' Harlaw' *guinan* 'a tobmeH De' 'ut lIngbe'

jIH :

> toQDuj chu' lIngmeH, Huch 'Iq DIlpu' wo' 'a SIbI'Ha' toQDujvam lI'Ha'
> in order to produce the new bird of prey the empire paid a lot of money,
> however eventually this bird of prey was useless

Qov :

> rap Qaghvam, latlh Qagh je. SIbI' yIlughmoH.
> Once you have done that, consider that the ship wasn't useless to begin
> with, so a particular suffix might be useful.

 toQDuj chu' lIngmeH, Huch 'Iq luDIlpu' wo' 'a SIbI'Ha' toQDujvam lI'Ha'.
As far as the second part of your observation is concerned, I'm rather
confused ; I wanted to say that the bird of prey was build from
scratch, so indeed it was useless from the start.

lojmIt tI'wI'nuv :

> Look at your word order for the last two words here. Is {toQDujvam}
> the subject or the object of {lI’Ha’}?
> Also, the English says, “a lot of money” while the Klingon says “too
> much money”. These are not necessarily the same meaning.

yes, you're right. I just saw it.. Here is the sentence corrected :

toQDuj chu' lIngmeH, Huch 'Iq luDIlpu' wo' 'a SIbI'Ha' lI'Ha' toQDujvam

Other than that yes, I realize now that "a lot of money" is different
from "too much money". While I was writing the original sentence I had
the "too much money" in mind 'ach the "a lot of money"
eventually was written in the English translation..

cpt qunnoq

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:41 PM, seruq <seruq at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Other than some strange astronomical event, can a day be not whole?
> Perhaps it would be better to use a different word in order to figure this out.
> chab.
>
> There is more than one chab on the table.
> One is whole, nothing missing, nobody took a piece yet.
> Another already has a slice or two taken from it.
>
> Someone comes along and wants to eat.
> chab naQ Sop.  He ate the pie which is whole.  He did not eat the one that was missing a slice.  You could also say, naQbogh chab Sop.
> chab naQHa' Sop.  He ate the pie which is not whole.  He took the one that already had a slice missing.  You could also say, naQHa'bogh chab Sop.
>
> But those don't mention how much he ate.
>
> chab naQ Hoch Sop.  He ate all of the whole pie.
> chab naQHa' Hoch Sop.  He ate all of the partial pie.
> chab naQ 'op Sop.  He ate some of the whole pie.  So now we have two partial pies.
> chab naQHa' 'op Sop.  He ate some of the partial pie.  So now we still have the whole pie, and the partial pie is a little bit smaller.
>
> Hoch chab naQ Sop.  He ate all the whole pies.  Plural.  There were more than one whole pie.  He ate all the whole ones, and left all the partial ones.
> Hoch chab naQ 'op Sop.  He ate some of all the whole pies.  He took a bite from each pie which was whole.
> Hoch chab naQHa' Sop.  He ate all the partial pies.  Left the whole pies.
>
>
> - DloraH
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: lojmIttI'wI'nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
>>To: Klingon language email discussion forum <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
>>Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 5:15 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: lIng
>>
>>
>>
>>I’m just curious if this is a consensus or something that has any canon behind it. I would have thought that {jaj naQ} made sense as “an entire day”. {jaj Hoch} makes equally good sense, so I’m not challenging this as a perfectly fine option.
>>
>>
>>I would have thought that “a day, which is whole”  would be more like {naQbogh jaj}.
>>
>>
>>Not trying to start trouble. I’m honestly seeking clarity. I know that I miss a lot of canon, and I don’t stay up on things as I’m sure I should.
>>
>>pItlh
>>lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Feb 1, 2016, at 11:31 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>>>
>>>On 2/1/2016 11:25 AM, mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>>
>>>ok, I can't stop myself..
>>>>
>>>>unless someone tells me to shut up, I will write random sentences with
>>>>the word of the day.
>>>>
>>>>qaStaHvIS jaj naQ vumqanglaw' 'ach qoqmey law' lInglaHbe'
>>>>although he was willing to work the entire day, he was unable to
>>>>produce many robots
>>>>
>>>Use {jaj Hoch} instead of {jaj naQ}. {jaj naQ} means "day which is whole." What is a day that is not whole? An incomplete day? Perhaps a day with an eclipse?
>>>
>>>Using {Hoch} after a noun means "all of <noun>."
>>>
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