[Tlhingan-hol] Expressing instrumentality

[Steven Boozer]

AFAIK there are no examples of Okrand using {lo'taHvIS}, but he does tend to use purpose clauses with {-meH}:

  luchovmeH 'oy'naQmey lo' 
  [Warriors] who test him with painstiks (S9)


  labmeH 'evnagh Se' lo' tlhIngan QumwI' 
  A Klingon communicator sends a signal through subspace radio. (S19)

  SIQwI' lu'oy'moHmeH juppu'Daj 'oy'naQmey lo' chaH.  SuvwI' qa' patlh
   veb chavlaHmeH tlhIngan lo'chu' chaH. toDujDaj toblu' 
  The Painstik is employed by friends of the recipient who use [painstiks]
   to inflict pain in a manner which will allow the Klingon to attain a
   higher state of spirituality as a warrior, proving his mettle. (S32)

  qung wejDIch HengmeH qewwI' lo' 
  (in order) to finger the third hole, he/she uses the ring finger.
   (HQ 10.2)

  maghwI'Daq SIqmeH naQjejwIj lo' SuvwI' 
  the warrior uses my spear to point at the traitor
  the warrior points at the traitor with my spear. (HQ 10.2)

  rav velmeH tlhIm lo' 
  lay a carpet
  ("use a carpet to cover the floor") (Lieven < MO, 1/09/2012)

  qIb boche'meH qeylIS HoS bolo' 'ej SuvwI' vaSDaq boquvmoHlu' 
  Control the Galaxy with the might of Kahless and be immortalized
   in the Hall of Warriors. (MKE)

... or with {-DI'}:

  janmey ngo' lulo'lu'DI' pIj jabbI'ID nISpu' woj 
  Older models were susceptible to radiation. (S19)


--
Voragh
tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mayqel qunenoS [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 1:46 AM
> 
> 'arHa':
> > 'aqnaw lo'taHvIS, HoH. - While using a general-purpose knife, she killed
> him.
> 
> I disagree with that sentence. The way I read it, this means :
> 
> "while she was using the knife (to do whatever), she killed him". It
> doesn't necessarily express that she used the knife in order kill him.
> the {-taHvIS} expresses that "while something is happening" ; it doesn't
> express purpose.
> 
> 'arHa':
> > The {lo'taHvIS} example covers your example of "We built the table with
> a hammer"
> 
> same here. we used the hammer for the purpose of building the table; not
> while we were using the hammer we built the table.
>