[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: vem

[mayql qunenoS]

      Thank you qurgh ! I read the HolQeD article and it was
informative ; however the problem remains.. In the sentence {tera'
vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bong QongmeH qItI'nga' Duj tI'ang ghompu'
DIvI' 'ejDo' 'entepray'}, I don't have a problem with the {vatlh DIS
poH} ; I just can't understand the rationale by which we have after
the {vatlh DIS poH} the {cha'maH loS} ;

As I understand it, we should either have {vatlh DIS poH cha'maH
loSDIch}, or if we insisted on {vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS} we should
have the english translation "century 24".

qunnoq



On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:
> tI'ang is the name of the ship:
>
> qItI'nga' Duj tI'ang => K'tinga Ship T'ong
>
> This information should help you make sense of the time marker (from
> http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-09-holqed-08-3.txt):
>
> With longer time periods, such
> as a century ({vatlh DIS poH}),
> millennium ({SaD DIS poH}), or a
> period of 10,000 years ("myriad,"
> perhaps) ({netlh DIS poH}), the words
> {ret} or {pIq} may be used in place of
> {poH}, e.g., {cha' vatlh DIS poH} <two
> centuries>, but {cha' vatlh DIS ret} <two
> centuries ago>. The phrase {cha' vatlh
> ben} would mean "200 years ago."
> The choice of construction depends [[p.4]]
> on what is being emphasized: in this
> case, the total number of centuries
> (two) or the total number of years
> (200).
>
> qurgh
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:01 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bong QongmeH qItI'nga' Duj tI'ang
>> > ghompu' DIvI' 'ejDo' 'entepray'.
>>
>> Sentences like this drive me crazy. Can someone explain what the jay'
>> {tI'ang} is doing in this sentence ?
>>
>> Without it we have a nice "at earth century (go figure) accidentally
>> the sleeper ship (who cares) is encountered by the starship yadda
>> yadda. The {tI'ang} does what exactly ? What's it's role there ?
>> Furthermore, why the english translation lacks the word accidentally ?
>> And why does it say "A sleeper ship of this [K'Tinga] class" ? Where
>> in the original klingon sentence is the "this" expressed ?
>> Last but not least.. The english translation goes "24th century".
>> According to TKD, we have {wa'DIch} "first" {cha'DIch} "second"
>> {HutDIch} "ninth" ; So for "24th" we should have {cha'maH loSDIch}. If
>> we indeed had this, I would be ok with {vatlh DIS poH cha'maH
>> loSDIch}. But now we have {vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS} which according
>> to TKD translates to "century number 24".
>>
>> Either there is grammar here I'm missing, or this sentence and
>> subsequent translation were written with total disregard to those who
>> would actually want to learn this language.
>>
>> And now I remember seeing a sentence - not so long ago - which started
>> with {rIntaH}. But that's another story altogether.
>>
>> tlhIngan Hol vIHaDchoHtaHDI', *canon* mu'tlhegh vIHaDqangQo' ;
>> meqvammo', DaH *canon* mu'tlhegh vIHaDqangbe'taH. nIQaHnIS *canon*
>> mu'tlhegh. nImISmoHnISbe' *canon* mu'tlhegh.
>>
>> mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>> you have some stuffed to'baj leg in your teeth
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >> Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, April 14, 2016
>> >>
>> >> Klingon word: vem
>> >> Part of speech: verb
>> >> Definition: wake up, cease sleeping
>> >
>> >   bIQongtaHvIS nItlhejchugh targhmey bIvemDI' nItlhej ghIlab ghewmey
>> >   If you sleep with *targs*, you'll wake up with glob flies. TKW
>> >
>> > vemmoH                  wake (someone) up (v)
>> >
>> >   qanjIt qan vemmoH moratlh, vavDaj ghaH qanjIt'e'
>> >   Morath wakes his father, the old Kanjit PB
>> >
>> >
>> > *{vemmeH Daq}   awakening point (?)
>> >
>> > K'Ehleyr said that the 23rd century sleeper ship T'Ong would soon reach
>> > its "awakening point" (TNG "The Emissary"):
>> >
>> >   tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bong QongmeH qItI'nga' Duj tI'ang
>> >     ghompu' DIvI' 'ejDo' 'entepray'
>> >   A sleeper ship of this [K'Tinga] class, the T'Ong, was encountered
>> >     in the 24th century by the USS Enterprise. (S15)
>> >
>> > Its mission was never stated, but after the crew revived Captain K'temoc
>> > was intent on returning to Kronos quickly instead of attacking nearby
>> > Federation outposts (TNG "The Emissary").  Some have speculated that he had
>> > intelligence about the Borg threat.
>> >
>> >
>> > SEE ALSO:
>> > Doy'                    be tired (v)
>> > leS                     rest, relax (v)
>> > Dum                     nap (v)
>> > Qong                    sleep (v)
>> > vul                     be unconscious (v)
>> > vulchoH                 faint (v)
>> > vong                    hypnotize (v)
>> > naj                     dream (v)
>> >
>> >
>> > N.B. do not confuse with the new noun {vem} "print, mark, tracks, image,
>> > pattern (left in the dirt from stepping on it)" (cf. qepHom 2015 p.20).
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Voragh
>> > tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
>> > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>> >
>> >
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