[Tlhingan-hol] qaghwI' between consonants

[Robyn Stewart]

I recommend: reply-all, and then delete the original poster's e-mail, so they don't get two copies. 

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 7:34, Karen Alessio <karenalessio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm sort of new to this, is there a list somewhere of consonant clusters allowed/disallowed in tlhingan phonology?
> 
> also, how do I reply to threads in this mailing list? Hit "reply all"? I'm feeling kind of newbie-ish right now. sorry.
> thanks!
> 
> > and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced
> 
> that is exactly what i wanted to clarify ! i wondered whether the cluster consonant-qaghwI'-consonant can be pronounced ; thank you all for answering.
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2015 um 08:11 schrieb Robyn Stewart:
>> > 3.Names can take any form the user wants them to, including letters and letter combinations that aren’t in tlhIngan Hol.
>> 
>> First to make clear: Qov is one of the most experienced Klingon speakers I have ever met, so I have my greatest respect to her knowledge and grammatical opinion. That's why it's not easy for me to contradict.
>> 
>> This is important for true beginners to understand this correctly:
>> 
>> Yes, names can be whatever they are. Of course there is no rule for names, and they may look what they look like.
>> 
>> But, on the other hand, it depends on the question asked: if you want to make a name which follows correct tlhIngan Hol syllables, then you can NOT do what you want. The Klingon letters we use are some kind of pronunciation system, and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced. I definitely DISCOMMEND any beginners to write words like {qun'noQ} or {QIt'vur} because they simply can NOT be pronounced. It's like writing english names like "Kpnolstkr" and "Apprlk" - it just makes no sense.
>> 
>> What you can do is what most authors do, writing "english" Klingon names as we know "K'mtor" or "K'Tinga", but that'sno tlhIngan Hol.
>> 
>> {paq'batlh} is really one of very few exceptions [please name any others], which is based on the incorrect spelling of the autors, and that's why okrand has explained it as archaic klingon.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Lieven L. Litaer
>> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
>> Grammarian of the KLI
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