[Tlhingan-hol] Canon: Associate Producer
HoD qunnoQ
mihkoun at gmail.com
Sat Oct 3 08:37:03 PDT 2015
a fellow member of the list,pointed out earlier that a klingon word cannot
end with "nD". could someone point out what other word endings are
inappropriate/nonexistent in klingon ?
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com
> wrote:
> As Okrand explained, English has no soft onset for vowel-first syllables,
> so, unless you speak Hawaiian like a native, you don't know what soft onset
> sounds like or feels like because you've never done it or heard it during
> your language-formative years. It's like trying to explain "L"s and "R"s to
> someone who has exclusively spoken languages that lack them, or like
> explaining the difference between "pin" and "pen" to someone who speaks a
> dialect that pronounces them exactly alike. The difference is smaller to
> his ear than the difference between two different people saying "pen", so
> he can't hear which of the two words anyone is saying.
>
> English starts vowel-first syllables with a glottal stop. Deal with it.
>
> My wife pronounces "where" and "wear" exactly alike and thinks my
> pronunciation of "where" is sufficiently alien to her to be no end of
> amusement. She pronounces "why" like the letter "Y". It leaves me wondering
> why she doesn't pronounce "who" as "woo". When I point that out, she
> becomes puzzled. She never thought about that until I pointed it out, then
> she just declares "That's just how it is," and avoids thinking about it
> further, since she prefers to think that her pronunciation is generally
> better than mine, when there is a difference.
>
> She also thinks that if a man says something in a forest and there is no
> woman there to hear him, yes, he is still wrong.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
>
> > On Oct 3, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > I wrote:
> >> Because in Klingon, no word starts with a vowel. Even from a linguistic
> >> view, in most languages, words woth vowels start with a glottal stop.
> >> Try saying "I ate eight egg" without the stop. I will sound like
> >> "hi-yate-tate-hags".
> >
> >> Am 22.09.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Anthony Appleyard:
> >> In my pronunciation of English (I am in England), the separator in
> "I-ate-eight-eggs" is a slight hesitation, and not a true glottal stop with
> closure of the glottis.
> >
> > This may be correct from a linguistic point of view, but my explanation
> is the very closest approachment I can get to explain this to a
> non-linguist, which are most of the Klingon students.
> >
> > It's also possible that my example does not work exactly in english as
> it does in German though.
> >
> > --
> > Lieven L. Litaer
> > aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> > Grammarian of the KLI
> > http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> > http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apostrophe
> >
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