[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects

[David Holt]

I wasn't going to correct you.  You did so much right in that sentence that I completely understood it and could easily overlook on missing prefix.  However, since you are attempting to correct yourself, I want to make sure you correct yourself correctly.  It should actually be {bo-} since you have the object {Hoch}.


janSIy


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From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com>
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it just occured to me ; I forgot the {Su-}..     Hoch Sujangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.

qunnoQ

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com<mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>> wrote:
I've proven many times the poor quality of my memory, particularly when relating to the questions "who, what, when, where", though I tend to better remember "how" and "why". I don't have your phonographic memory.

What I remember about the interview was that we tried to avoid talking much about the language before or after the interview specifically to avoid the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wanted everything said to be in the interview, available to the most people and not some kind of insider info. I didn't want to come out of the rare opportunity of talking with him with any information that didn't get shared in HolQeD.

That I said, "And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say," suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in the interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I made it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal, though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow then, but I doubt it.

I don't think I did a lot of leading the witness in the interview. I tried hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he would either accept, reject, or better explain.

I don't have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it again and see if I can be more specific, though I trust that you've already been through it and there's probably nothing to find.

What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the two verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a similar difference in the verbs for asking...

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



On Nov 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name<mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:

On 11/18/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:
He said that the direct object of {ja'} was the person or persons
being addressed, hence {ja'chuq} being translated as "discuss"
because it involves people telling each other something.

If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU made this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.

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WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to
   comment on?

MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?

WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.

MO: The speech event.

WM: I like that term.

MO: Including a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah" {jatlh}.

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SuStel
http://trimboli.name


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