[Tlhingan-hol] Multiple Adverbials (was Re: Piraha)

[qunnoQ HoD]

> Dayaj'a'?


yes I do ! thank you.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:48 PM, David Holt <kenjutsuka at live.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure exactly which situation you are talking about, but remember that the plural suffices are completely optional. There are times when they help with clarity, but {vagh rep} is clearly plural and so the {-mey} is not required. It is very handy particularly for rhythmic poetry and songs where some flexibility in number of syllable and rhyming is very helpful.
>
> janSIy
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> From: "qunnoQ HoD" <mihkoun at gmail.com>
> Sent: November 3, 2015 7:12 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Multiple Adverbials (was Re: Piraha)
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> this may be like an tiny/insignificant volkswagen beetle,trying to take
> part at a ferrari/lamborghini exhibition, but still I would like to ask why
> we said
> {vagh rep ret} instead of {vagh repmey ret}..
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:33 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>
>> On 11/2/2015 3:29 PM, Lieven wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, and you certainly agree, there are different kinds of
>>> adverbials: Some of them tell WHEN something happens, some tell HOW
>>> something happens.
>>>
>>> I believe that Okrand did not think of classifying them like that - to
>>> keep TKD short - so it's still possible that these must have some kind
>>> of order (this need to be verified and proven).
>>>
>>> My theory is that adverbs of the same type cannot occur on the same time:
>>> {DaH tugh maSop} makes no sense
>>> {DaH nom maSop} does make sense
>>>
>>
>> What you're describing is a semantic difference, and there may or may not
>> be merit to it. TKD, however, describes only the syntactic function of
>> certain types of {chuvmey}.
>>
>> The question boils down to: can you put multiple words in front of the
>> OVS sentence that are not nouns or verbs? Answer: yes, if we believe the
>> {paq'batlh} is not taking artistic license.
>>
>> Are we restricted as to what those words mean? That's a question of
>> semantics. There are certainly combinations that don't make sense, but you
>> can't outright declare them ungrammatical. Colorless green ideas sleep
>> furiously, and all that.
>>
>> --
>> SuStel
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