[Tlhingan-hol] Piraha

[Steven Boozer]

The lines are from the paq’batlh (PB), so we’re stuck with the somewhat “poetic/literary” (vs. strictly literal) translations:

  loDnI'wI' bIQeHba' chaq batlh bIvangqa'laH
  My brother, I see your anger, you might have a chance
 to make amends.  PB

  chaq tugh batlh Heghmo' 'ej chaq tugh charghmo'
  For they may soon die with honor! For they may soon be victorious! PB

  reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH
  Let endless battle and honor await them! PB

  jIlay'DI' reH batlh jIpabchugh Qapla'meywIj Hoch vIta'ta' 'e' DaHar'a'
  Did you think that my word of honor would have carried me this far? PB

Compare this last line with:

  bIleghlaH jIlay'ta' 'ej batlh jIpabta'
  As you see, I have kept my word PB

A couple more examples with two adverbials:

  batlh naDev SuDab
  Welcome to this place PB

  batlh maHeghbej 'ej yo' qIjDaq vavpu'ma' DImuv.
  pa' reH maSuvtaHqu'.
  Then we die with honor and join our fathers in the
   Black Fleet where we battle forever. (Anthem)

OTOH see this earlier example from the Hallmark commercial where Okrand repeated the verb:

  pIj maSuvpu' batlh maSuvpu' 'ej maQapbejta'
  In our many battles, we have fought with honor
  and achieved VICTORY! (Hallmark)

--
Voragh


From: qunnoQ HoD [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 10:04 AM

> {tugh batlh Heghmo’} "soon he dies with honor"
i'm sorry to lead this discussion of track,but {-mo'} as i just saw,translates to <<due to,because of>>.
why is then the translation <<soon he dies with honor>> and not <<soon he dies because of honor>> ?


> {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH} "they always fight with honor"
{reH} always
{batlh} honor
{Suv} to fight
{-taH} continuous
{-jaj} may
{chaH} they
why <<they always fight with honor>> and not <<may they keep fighting with honor>> ?
qunnoQ HoD

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de<mailto:levinius at gmx.de>> wrote:
I'm not sure what the initial question was, but these examples do not show a real answer, in my opinion. All of the multiple adverbials are actually time stamps plus adverb, so not really "TWO" adverbs.
The only rule we can see here, is that time stamps come first:

{tugh batlh Heghmo’}
"soon he dies with honor"

{reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH}
"they always fight with honor"

I don't see two adverbials here, unless you see vaj as one, which I see more as a conjunction:

> Hay’chu’ luneHqu’
vaj pe’vIl joqqu’
cha’ tlhIngan tIqDu’

Any examples with true aderbials or adverbs of the same type??


--
Lieven L. Litaer
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